Feats from Ahsoka's Untold Tales

TCW Anakin stomps Ahsoka.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
People also don't move faster than we can see, move things with their mind and shoot lightning from their hands 😬

Originally posted by Selenial
Oh, if only Sidious was trying to turn someone to the Dark Side who happened to have an incredible emotional attachment to her 🙁

So just to clarify, to you, the "logical" conclusion is that TCW Ahsoka can tank Sidious' lightning?

But of course as I said on the first page, the main take away is that she didn't die.

Except Windu was redirecting the Lightning from his blade back at Sidious. They're not even remotely similar.

The "logical conclusion" for Ahsoka's actions here is that she was melting the lock to keep the door firmly closed, so nah.

"Enduring - Adjective - lasting over a period of time; durable."

Please tell me how you can decipher her "enduring" the Lightning from a single still image. Please tell me how you know she hasn't just plunged her Lightsaber into the door, or that the Lightning has only just began to seep from her blade? 🙂

It's almost like we don't have enough information to apply the feat. Where have I heard that before? mmm

Originally posted by Beniboybling
That is a legit retarded response. 😬

Coming from you I take that as a compliment 🙂

Originally posted by Beniboybling
For a few seconds, evidently, I'm sorry that pains you so. 🙂

But of course as I said on the first page, the main take away is that she didn't die.

She didn't die to unqunatifiably powerful lightning. How unquantifiable of her 🙂

Which proves what?

Windu was redirecting the Lightning at Sidious, therefore the blade was not technically being overpowered, because Windu was using Tutaminis and Vapaad to control as much of Sidious' lightning as his powers allowed him to. It's why he was straining so much.

To put it into plain terms, let's say a lightsaber can take 100 arbitrary units of Force Lightning at once before it begins to overload. Let's say Sidious was sending 150 at Windu. If Windu has the power to redirect 90 of it back at Sidious, the Lightsaber will not overload, even if the same effects (Lightning coming from the blade) are visible.

On the flip side, it could be that Sidious is sending 150 at Windu and Windu is only able to redirect 55 units back at Sidious. The blade takes 95 and survives, barely.

Ahsoka would take 50 from her blade overloading.

So in that scenario, yes, Windu's feat could be used to gauge Ahsoka's and she'd be an incredibly impressive Force Wielder.

The fact is however, if you cannot fill in any of the variables in this example (Comparative strength of Sidious' lightning, how much a blade can absorb, how much Windu was redirecting and how much Ahsoka was subjected to) the feat is unquantifiable. It may be her best, it may be her worst, you cannot be the judge of that any more than I can. Therefore it's a frankly irrelevant feat, unless you look at it from Sidious' end.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
People don't fall unconscious for a couple of seconds lol, he just had to pick himself up off the ground. It literally means nothing.

Obi-Wan did.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
People don't fall unconscious for a couple of seconds lol, he just had to pick himself up off the ground. It literally means nothing.

If you could prove that was the case for Anakin, you and Neph might have a point - however considering he couldn't do the same to Ventress I doubt it.

EDIT: And it was less than two seconds, if we are being accurate.

That's not the point. A far inferior lightning to Sidious' had a greater effect on a far greater force user than Ahsoka. Do the math.

Except it didn't so...

And Sel I'm not really getting your point at all, seems like your overcomplicating the issue immensely. 😬

Whatever amount of energy Windu might be able to handle, it should remain vastly above what a lightsaber would be capable of in the hand of Ahsoka, whatever variables you might choose to plug in.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
And Sel I'm not really getting your point at all, seems like your overcomplicating the issue immensely. 😬

Whatever amount of energy Windu might be able to handle, it should remain vastly above what a lightsaber would be capable of in the hand of Ahsoka, whatever variables you might choose to plug in.

There is no simpler way of explaining this.

I'm just going to take this as a concession.

Okay dear, I'm tiring of this debate anyway so I'll make a final point and call it a day.

To put it plainly, through the level of Vaapad Windu was using (i.e. the kind that enabled him to stalemate Sidious) the extent to which he should be able to amp his lightsaber defences above the average should be immense (irrespective of how effective a lightsaber is at absorbing lightning, or whatever other variables you might employ) and the upper limit of what Sidious can overwhelm, equally immense. Well exceeding what Ahsoka at this age, possesses. Therefore through no amount of mental gymnastics could the low end of this feat be estimated to be say, sub-Dooku level. Its just inconceivable to believe that a lightsaber wielded by Ahsoka could diminish his lightning to such a vast extent, as that is the gap that exists between their powers.

Even if he wasn't trying to kill her, or otherwise not using the fullest extent of his abilities (which I'd remind you, he wasn't against Windu), it must be at least, in notable excess of that. And it's hardly sense making to suggest otherwise.

As for the extent to which she endured this lightning, I would again reiterate that the fact that this panel focuses on that act, would warrant it being at least a few seconds. I would also note that Filoni describes the act of sealing the door as happening simultaneous to Sidious attacking her, which would have itself demanded several seconds, through a few of which, she was evidently being zapped.

On the other hand, I don't disagree that his lightning would have been diminished, and acknowledge that we can't really be specific on how potent it would, nor can we conclude on what kind of after effects Ahsoka would have underwent, whether it be a KO or just incapacitation.

Regardless, I maintain that we can say, with confidence that 1. She was subject to Force lightning stronger than Dooku's 2. did so for at least a few seconds. Which yes, gives us a frame of reference by which we can quantify this feat. As in less a few seconds (and sometimes less) Dooku has KO'ed Sora Bulq, AotC Anakin and incapacitated Ventress. This, after accounting for the circumstances we do not know i.e. whether or not Ahsoka was KO'ed, balanced against how much stronger than Dooku's lightning it was, in the league of these individuals, be it between or above.

Which considering she was entrusted with capturing Darth Maul, and at least performed competently in this mission, makes sense, and yes, is a feat. 👆

Ahsoka Dooku-level.

I think you might have misread something darling. Nice gif tho.

Beni, you're still missing the entire point of this debate.

The fact is, the Windu vs Sheev fight cannot be applied to this argument, because Windu was redirecting the Lightning himself. The only thing we can draw from that encounter that is relevant to this debate, is the fact the gap between Vapaad!Windu and Sheev is less than is required to overwhelm a Lightsaber.

That means nothing, it doesn't help, because we know for a fact that they were nigh-equals in this state.

You say it's inconceivable that the blade could make such a difference, but it's really not. If overcharging a Lightsaber was easy, and the nearly full effect of your Lightning could be felt by the opponent, why did Vitiate not manage to overwhelm the Hero of Tython's blade? Why could Dooku not overwhelm Kenobi's? Why could Krayt not overwhelm Cade's? That example likely being the most prevalent, because Krayt's Lightning would be capable of one shorting Cade through his blade if your ridiculous notion stood true.

The fact is, it's immensely difficult. Lightsabers hold immeasurable levels of Energy, and handle it all at once. That's why we haven't seen countless powerful Sith Lords make use of a power as useful as you suggest this is, because frankly it's not as useful as you suggest. It's not combat applicable because the Lightning produced by the blade itself is markedly weaker than the original cast.

I appreciate you agreeing that the Lightning was weaker, but I find the notion that you categorically claim it above Dooku's as abhorrent.

Because let's not forget, Sidious always goes all out, 100% of the time. 👆

Oh don't worry, we've had that discussion.

It's one of the 18,000 variables Beni feels confident enough to fill in, that just so happens to wank Ahsoka as much as possible 🙂

^ I think Beni's point is that a normal shot from Palpatine is likely still > Dooku's best shot.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ I think Beni's point is that a normal shot from Palpatine is likely still > Dooku's best shot.

The gap is starting to close though tbh.