Originally posted by Nephthys
How so?
An injured Dooku's lightning helped Sidious turn the tide on Mother Talzin. Given how prior to that, Talzin and Sidious were equals, this would make Dooku's lightning at least a noticeable addition to Palpatine's power given how quickly Talzin started getting overwhelmed.
If Dooku's lightning, by comparison to Sidious' casual bursts, was far less, then it wouldn't have been so quick and so decisive an edge for Tyranus and Sidious. What further aids this argument would be Talzin gaining an additional boost from Maul, yet still getting quickly overwhelmed and forced to use a Force Barrier instead of continuing her lightning barrage.
Originally posted by AncientPowerLike he was doing against Windu, yeah.
Because let's not forget, Sidious always goes all out, 100% of the time. 👆
Originally posted by SelenialNah, the properties of the lightsaber itself are irrelevant, they are the standard that remains consistent. What's relevant is that Vaapad!Windu >>> Ahsoka by a country mile, so his the amp to his lightsaber defences beats Ahsoka's by a country mile. Nothing can bridge that gap that Windu does not already have, suggesting that a lightsaber could when Windu has his own is ****ing ludicrous.
Beni, you're still missing the entire point of this debate.The fact is, the Windu vs Sheev fight cannot be applied to this argument, because Windu was redirecting the Lightning himself. The only thing we can draw from that encounter that is relevant to this debate, is the fact the gap between Vapaad!Windu and Sheev is less than is required to overwhelm a Lightsaber.
That means nothing, it doesn't help, because we know for a fact that they were nigh-equals in this state.
You say it's inconceivable that the blade could make such a difference, but it's really not. If overcharging a Lightsaber was easy, and the nearly full effect of your Lightning could be felt by the opponent, why did Vitiate not manage to overwhelm the Hero of Tython's blade? Why could Dooku not overwhelm Kenobi's? Why could Krayt not overwhelm Cade's? That example likely being the most prevalent, because Krayt's Lightning would be capable of one shorting Cade through his blade if your ridiculous notion stood true.
The fact is, it's immensely difficult. Lightsabers hold immeasurable levels of Energy, and handle it all at once. That's why we haven't seen countless powerful Sith Lords make use of a power as useful as you suggest this is, because frankly it's not as useful as you suggest. It's not combat applicable because the Lightning produced by the blade itself is markedly weaker than the original cast.
I appreciate you agreeing that the Lightning was weaker, but I find the notion that you categorically claim it above Dooku's as abhorrent.
And no when it came down to Force powers Sidious had Windu’s Vaapad throughly beaten, read the novel.
Anyway nice examples, more importantly without Vaapad, Windu would have been overpowered and left writhing on the floor in short order, and all those names you brought up would have died even more painfully. That shit might be a problem for some people, but not Sheev. 👆