Originally posted by juggernaut74
Those are Avenger movies.
Just because you consider it (Civil War) an Avengers movie doesn’t make it so.
Russo’s > Wan in terms of how impressive their movies did so far. Aquaman’s success is awesome and gratz to that. But let’s not go crazy here. Aquaman isn’t even in the top 3 superhero movies of 2018 just yet (IW, BP, Incredibles2).
Originally posted by Senor Cage
I'd say Wan is impressive, since he took a lesser known character and made it earn 1B. Avengers IW was a buildup, which made 2B. Wan's Furious 7 made 1.1 billion in foreign markers, which is just as impressive, IMO.Aquaman also had better legs than the others above, too.
Do you guys have any idea how difficult it is to make a GOOD movie when there is a vast number of named stars/established fan favorite characters all vying for screentime with intersecting storylines and backstories? Literally dozens of characters. Maintaining consistency and flow? Russos accomplished this, made money as well as getting critical acclaim. DCEU faceplanted with a handful of characters. Wan only had to focus on one.
There shouldn’t even be a comparison here. IW made almost twice as much as AM, had better ratings, was a better movie and was much harder to make.
Inserting qualifiers like “solo superhero movie” or “different franchise” is simply inserting irrelevant qualifiers so that you can claim some kind of personally-subjective “win”.
DCEU didn’t get a win this year. It wasn’t even close. But they did manage to put up a fight this time.
IW could afford to make a whole bunch of leading stars/characters into supporting characters (which is what it did, just to be clear, dudes like Bruce Banner definitely got the shaft in favor of Thor for example) because it wasn't a three act movie. It was a two and a half hour climax, the culmination of several movies of solid build-up. I'm not particularly impressed by the Russos themselves despite the experience of the movie being very good. 👇
Originally posted by Senor Cage
I'm only speaking about BO. Aquaman was an underdog, which will probably outgrows Civil War. That is more impressive to me.Hardly anyone thought it would do that well.
“to me”.
Like I said. Subjective qualifiers without that, even in BO Russos creamed Wan. CW wasn’t even released this year so it’s a bit apples to oranges don’t you think? Superhero movies did amazing this year, like I said check the top 3 superhero movies, Aquaman isn’t on it.
Nothing wrong with finding something personally impressive, but that’s hardly objective.
I agree. It was impressive of course. It did amazing. I liked the movie and had plenty of fun so I feel that it deserves its success.
You can definitely celebrate that. And I will celebrate with you. Movies and superheroes are my passion. Don’t care if it’s DC or Marvel. If they make this consistent, it tells me that I might have 2-3 more movies in a year we can all look forward to and that’s a win for all.
With a few more successes, you can def start comparing DCEU with Marvel, but now is not the time just yet. Again, let’s not go crazy here.
to me”.Like I said. Subjective qualifiers without that, even in BO Russos creamed Wan. CW wasn’t even released this year so it’s a bit apples to oranges don’t you think? Superhero movies did amazing this year, like I said check the top 3 superhero movies, Aquaman isn’t on it.
Nothing wrong with finding something personally impressive, but that’s hardly objective.
I agree. It was impressive of course. It did amazing. I liked the movie and had plenty of fun so I feel that it deserves its success.
You can definitely celebrate that. And I will celebrate with you. Movies and superheroes are my passion. Don’t care if it’s DC or Marvel. If they make this consistent, it tells me that I might have 2-3 more movies in a year we can all look forward to and that’s a win for all.
With a few more successes, you can def start comparing DCEU with Marvel, but now is not the time just yet. Again, let’s not go crazy here.
You said Russo's>>Wan. I'm not doing just one comparison here. I'm comparing their entire film history. Wan does more at the BO and makes more profitable films than the Russo's IN GENERAL. His horror franchises seal the deal. Plus, you have Wan doing 1.5 in a Furious 7 franchise, now Aquaman. Wan is more impressive.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Considering the only other appearances of Aquaman were in BvS and Justice League, making a billion dollar solo film with a character that did not really garnish that much enthusiasm from his first appearance seems like a much more impressive feat.
Venom and Aquaman were easily the biggest surprises this year.
Originally posted by playa1258
DC is not there yet but they have the potential to be and Aquaman shows that.
Number wise, DC is right with MCU. They are already on pace to overtake MCU phase 2. 😉
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1st 6 DCEU films made over $4 billion worldwide, and Aquaman only began its rollout like 10 days ago.1st 6 MCU films made roughly $3.8 billion (including Avengers)
Just stating the facts to those ''DCEU is dead'' imbeciles.
Originally posted by Senor Cage
You said Russo's>>Wan. I'm not doing just one comparison here. I'm comparing their entire film history. Wan does more at the BO and makes more profitable films than the Russo's IN GENERAL. His horror franchises seal the deal. Plus, you have Wan doing 1.5 in a Furious 7 franchise, now Aquaman. Wan is more impressive.
So it’s no longer BO? But profitability in general now? Why the need to move goalposts?
Top movies between the two are Wan: 1.5Band 1B while the other made 2B and 1.15B. Russos look like they’re ahead in that respect at least. But I can’t really add up and average both their film BO totals yet since my flight’s about to board.
So it’s no longer BO? But profitability in general now? Why the need to move goalposts?Top movies between the two are Wan: 1.5Band 1B while the other made 2B and 1.15B. Russos look like they’re ahead in that respect at least. But I can’t really add up and average both their film BO totals yet since my flight’s about to board.
Aquaman isn't even finished and it will overtake CW or be really close. A measure of how successful a director is, if his or her films are profitable. Wan's are more profitable and has garnered more at the BO than the Russo's. Fact.
Interesting read here:
Move Over, Spielberg, James Wan Is the New Blockbuster King
More importantly, Aquaman cements Wan's place as a blockbuster specialist and affirms his membership in an exclusive club that includes the likes of Steven Spielberg and James Cameron. This club is filled with the types of directors able to elevate a franchise to unimaginable levels of popularity, which definitely applies to Wan. In making Aquaman, the director changed the popular perception around the titular hero from the guy who speaks to fish and rides a seahorse named Storm to a legitimate superhero operating in a fantastical world. Making a film creative and enjoyable while also meeting the demands of both fans and the box office isn't easy; it's a gift that few directors possess, but Wan is one of those directors.
James Wan Transforms ‘Aquaman’ From Aryan-Looking Punchline Into Powerhouse – The Deadline Q&A
After all, the Australian filmmaker minted his Hollywood reputation within the horror genre by displaying a golden (and grisly) touch with hard-R hits with lean budgets and fat profits. (His feature debut, Saw, for instance, was filmed in 18 days for $1.2 million — it went on to generate $103 million in global box office and six sequels for Lionsgate).
Come back to me when the Russo's make as much profit from three genres and franchises. Saw production budget was only a little over a million and made over 100 million world wide. Wan is in another class.
Originally posted by Senor Cage
James Wan Transforms ‘Aquaman’ From Aryan-Looking Punchline Into Powerhouse – The Deadline Q&ACome back to me when the Russo's make as much profit from [b]three
genres and franchises. Saw production budget was only a little over a million and made over 100 million world wide. Wan is in another class. [/B]
Reminder: you pretty much hated Aquaman and also were highly disappointed in Wan.