When was the existence of God 100% disproven?

Started by Mindship7 pages

Originally posted by Surtur
But then one day he just made some alarming comments about homosexuals. hateful comments. It was just rough because he was like a friend.
I had a similar experience recently, with a friend I've known for 30+ years. He basically said homosexuality was an aberration. The suddenness of the statement shocked me, but then, my surprise didn't last, given he is a staunch conservative. I proceeded to explain why I disagreed with him, but I'm sure it didn't change his thinking.

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
We live by a simple creed. Judge a person's choices as opposed to the person. I find it difficult to separate the two but that's how religious jews live, that's why they're the opposite of judgmental (you get a few here or there). We aren't like Christians. We don't try to convince people of God and how to live. We have our own lives and are cool with others living theirs (7 laws of Noah).
Originally posted by riv6672
^^^i'm
Totally down with that philosophy. 👆
For sure.

Its a good philosophy.

Fudge that. I aint gonna try to convince any oh you buttholes of God's Existence but I am Sure as HELL gonna JUDGEMENTAL EACH AND EVERY ONE OH YOU LOSERS!!!!!!

Also a philosophy. 👆

Oh Phil aint getting off the hook either!

Originally posted by Surtur
My experience with religion wasn't exactly good. It's very strange though because some of them could be hateful and yet very nice and likeable. My spanish teacher who I had for 3 out of 4 years of high school was pretty cool for a Brother. Since I was in the advanced class there weren't many students in the class so it changed the dynamic of things. He had been stationed in Hawaii and would always talk about how much he got laid(which is what they call it when they put that necklace around you when they greet you). Keep in mind this Brother was in his late 50's so it was amusing to see.

But then one day he just made some alarming comments about homosexuals. hateful comments. It was just rough because he was like a friend. He taught Spanish like I said and when we were seniors we had a project where we had to make a pinata. He helped me make one, it was a ninja turtle(raphael of course) and I still have that pinata in my home. It just can leave a person feeling very disillusioned.

I'd be interested in knowing what these alarming and hateful comments were. For the Bible is fairly uncompromising on the subject, and if your Brother didn't know you consider yourself gay, the ONLY thing he would need to do is quote Scripture to you in answer to a question and you'd probably find yourself feeling very hurt indeed, not understanding no one can truthfully answer what the Bible has to say about homosexuality if they want to portray homosexuality in an even remotely positive light.

Hmm.

Interesting video:

YouTube video

The very best line: Forget Jesus, the stars died so you could be here today.

F*cking owned.

Another good point was the guy for #8.

Originally posted by Surtur
Interesting video:

YouTube video

The very best line: Forget Jesus, the stars died so you could be here today.

F*cking owned.

Another good point was the guy for #8.

Good vid! Thanks!

Just in case anyone is curious there is a part 2 to that video:

YouTube video

Also interesting:

YouTube video

Thanks for those. 👆

Anyone have any thoughts on the arguments in those videos?

I generally find Sam Harris to be pretty thorough and he states his points well. He's not as aggressive as Dawkins is or Hitchens was.

However, I can't really get behind statements such as:

Originally posted by Surtur
Forget Jesus, the stars died so you could be here today.
because of how arrogant they come across. Like yes, the universe is amazing, infinitely so, but as a human, I personally find humans to be more relatable than unconscious celestial bodies, and as such, can see why somebody would be more likely to relate to Christ than a mass of matter millions of light years away.

I don't see why hardline atheists need to be so aggressive with their opinions, personally. I find people who are so sure of the lack of a higher power just as obnoxious and arrogant as someone 100% sure of a specific one. Just because the religions on Earth are massively reductive, why do people feel the need to take the binary opposite stance?

Have these people read up about quantum physics? Some of that stuff is just as unbelievable as the idea of a big guy in the sky with magic powers. Or ghosts, for that matter. We've discovered a lot about science that has changed the way we perceive existence. Who is to say we won't discover even more unfathomable things that will change the way we understand life? In the same way that we laugh at people of yore for thinking the Earth was flat, maybe people in the future will laugh at us for not thinking ghosts/spirits or whatever weren't real. Who knows. I like to leave things open, personally.

It's almost like humans are assholes no matter what they believe in.

I don't see why hardline atheists need to be so aggressive with their opinions, personally. I find people who are so sure of the lack of a higher power just as obnoxious and arrogant as someone 100% sure of a specific one.

Yes and yes.
I have dealt with both over the years, and in the Army they tend to use their rank to try and make you listen to their rhetoric.
I obviously find a lot of humor in these folks, always have.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
It's almost like humans are assholes no matter what they believe in.
I believe that we can do better. I'll always hold that belief, it's the last shred of optimism that I have left.
Originally posted by riv6672
Yes and yes.
I have dealt with both over the years, and in the Army they tend to use their rank to try and make you listen to their rhetoric.
I obviously find a lot of humor in these folks, always have.
I think beliefs of absolute certainty such as those are usually the hallmark of people more concerned with being right than actually exploring human nature or the meaning of existence. If someone wants to dismiss an entire school of thought because certain elements of it contradict their own views, I don't think they will be able to live a truly fulfilled life, personally.

Hardline atheists are very influential in modern society, but I think that a society that celebrates a lack of thinking in such a way is one doomed to failure. It's like it was when Christianity was the norm, except minus the benefits of Christian community culture. We got rid of faith and replaced it with absolute cynicism. I guess people find it hard to not just pick option A or option B. It's good that you can laugh at those people, though – I just instinctively find them intolerable. I guess when they're in a higher position of power though you either have to sulk about it or just deal with it and find the humour in the situation.

I think you're on point with replacing faith with cynicism.
Both in the extreme are equally bad.

As i had some rank back in the day, i got to tell both types i thought they were being stupid, though honestly i avoided talking religion and politics at work unless i had no choice.

There is no true way as of right now to prove or disprove the existence of a divine being.