Originally posted by Deronn_soloYeah, but he wasn't amped or anything, so its safe to assume, at the very least, that he stayed just as powerful, we aren't talking about Ben Kenobi, who lets his skill go to waste over the years.
This version of Krayt, arguably has superior feats to any other version of Krayt, tho.
Since it was a battle of "Force essence" taking place in a metaphysical realm, the only way Abeloth, Luke or Krayt can be damaged was to lose said essence.
As such, injuries(on both sides) are highlighted when someone leaks essence or his essence is diminished. For instance:
Luke’s chest was a searing ache around a fist-sized scorch hole, and his Force essence was bleeding out from a dozen smaller wounds, leaving a crescent of twinkling light spread across the dark water.
The only significant thing Luke does before the very end is to grappling with her and running interference with Krayt, with one exception where it's mentioned he kicks her in the knee and her knee buckles.
Now here are Krayt's highlights:
The tattooed stranger stepped in from the left, then slid to the front and drove his stiffened fingers deep into the pit of Abeloth’s stomach. A black spray erupted from the wound, and she writhed in pain as the stranger probed for something to grab.
Then Luke felt an icy twinge between his shoulder blades. The twinge became a sting, and he began to feel something cold flowing down the center of his back. His first thought was Abeloth, that she had sunk a tentacle into his spine—until the lashing of her tentacles slowed and she began to shudder.
The Sith seemed to be growing stronger as Abeloth grew weaker
Despite the Sith’s words, the cold stinging inside began to subside, and Luke realized the stranger was not pulling as hard. Abeloth continued to struggle, slipping a pair of tentacles around Luke’s throat and trying to tear herself free. But she was growing weak faster than Luke.
BTW, here is Luke realizing that the best he can do is hold her down for Krayt to drain her, as per my statement:
Luke slipped his arm down around her throat and pulled hard, merging his form into hers, doing his best to keep her under control. “Keep going,” Luke urged the stranger. “Pull harder!”
Let's continue:
Abeloth lay tangled in Luke’s arms, a writhing mass of Force energy that had suddenly gone limp a second or a day ago, only to explode an hour or a nanosecond later into a flailing tempest that had sent them all rolling and bouncing across the Lake of Apparition’s dark waters. The stranger was tumbling with them, his hand still buried in Abeloth’s chest, now wailing in agony as gleaming black Force energy steamed from his wounds.
Abeloth stopped struggling and seemed to shrink in his arms
Now here is the best part:
Luke craned his neck and saw Abeloth’s silhouette backing into the Mists of Forgetfulness—with the stranger’s wrist still protruding from her chest. “Stop her!” Luke yelled. “If she disappears into that fog …” Luke left the sentence unfinished as a fountain of oily black Force energy erupted from the protruding wrist. Abeloth’s mouth gaped open, and her piercing shriek broke over the lake, reverberating across the water like a clap of thunder. Luke glanced over and saw the stranger standing beside him, pointing in her direction, using the Force to draw his missing hand back toward its stump. Abeloth did not come dancing in to counterattack, did not even try to stand off defensively and weaken them with a blast of Force lightning. She did not have time for such tactics. Luke doubted she would have fled the battle in the first place if she were not already dying, and with her Force essence gushing out of her like a geyser, she had to attack now.
Now here is the finale, and the only place Luke shines:
In the next thought Abeloth was simply there in front of the stranger, driving a ball of tentacles deep into him. Luke sprang forward to help—and felt a blistering iciness slide deep into his own chest. His entire right side flared into cold anguish, and the tentacles began to dig and grab, tearing him apart inside in a way no lightsaber or blaster ever could. Luke attacked anyway, driving an elbow strike into the side of her head. As before, there was no crunching, no physical sense of impact, only Force energy plowing through Force energy, sending waves of pain and damage rolling through them both. Luke sensed his elbow come free as it pushed out the other side of Abeloth’s head. Then she simply fell away, her still-balled tentacles tearing free of both Luke and the stranger … each clutching a handful of dripping, pulsing Force essence. The stranger collapsed with a gaping hole in his chest. Luke felt his own form grow limp and weak, and he sensed his mouth falling open to scream, then his whole body was falling, weak and aching for breath.
But also note that it was Krayt that Abeloth attacked first, in desperation, further supporting my assertion that it was him that drove Abeloth to the brink of death. Furthermore, while Luke delivered the final blow, not that Krayt it also described as clutching a handful of Abeloth's essence. While he was the main target of Abeloth's attack, he didn't pass out and was still able to put up with some resistance.
If I were an unreasonable/greedy man I would go further and state that the reason Luke was able to fight back is that Krayt bore the brunt of Abeloth's final attack, but it's hard to make an argument either way.
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So there you have it. As I said, at best you could say that Luke and Krayt's contributions were equal, with Luke being the 'tank' and Krayt the 'DPS'. I personally think Krayt did better but I'm not willing to argue the point any more than I have.
Regardless, I think my point was made. When it comes to strength in the Force(and remember, this was a battle of pure Force essences) Krayt at the time of FOTJ is at least Luke's equal, and by powerscaling they should both be stronger than DE Sidious, who himself should be stronger than Yoda.
Even if you consider Krayt to be the least skilled in terms of lightsaber dueling(now that is an interesting debate) the assertion that he is a hindrance in this fight our not in the league of the others is laughable.
Are you still trying to peddle this shit?
Luke is the one restraining Abeloth; Krayt's contributions are obviously important, but Luke is the one having to manage her. He's the one who goes to CQC first, trading wounds with Abeloth, before Krayt does the same. Then Krayt drains Luke and Abeloth, becoming "stronger" as she and Luke become "weaker." While restraining Abeloth, Luke floors Krayt and threatens to release her. Krayt is cowed and begins to drain less from Luke. {The text also notes that Krayt begins to continuously wail in agony from his wounds, whereas Luke takes it like a champ.} When Abeloth teleports away, Krayt continues to drain Luke and only redirects his attention back to Abeloth when Luke prepares to attack him in kind. When Abeloth returns, not only does Luke deliver the final blow, he's the last one standing: Krayt drops first.
Tl;dr: Luke is both the first to engage and the last man standing, despite being quite literally up in Abeloth's grill from start to finish and being constantly drained by of energy by Krayt. And you have the temerity to say that Krayt's an equal, let alone a superior?
Hilarious.
Originally posted by The_TempestAre you still trying to peddle this shit?
Luke is the one restraining Abeloth; Krayt's contributions are obviously important, but Luke is the one having to manage her. He's the one who goes to CQC first, trading wounds with Abeloth, before Krayt does the same. Then Krayt drains Luke and Abeloth, becoming "stronger" as she and Luke become "weaker." While restraining Abeloth, Luke floors Krayt and threatens to release her. Krayt is cowed and begins to drain less from Luke. {The text also notes that Krayt begins to continuously wail in agony from his wounds, whereas Luke takes it like a champ.} When Abeloth teleports away, Krayt continues to drain Luke and only redirects his attention back to Abeloth when Luke prepares to attack him in kind. When Abeloth returns, not only does Luke deliver the final blow, he's the last one standing: Krayt drops first.
Tl;dr: Luke is both the first to engage and the last man standing, despite being quite literally up in Abeloth's grill from start to finish and being constantly drained by of energy by Krayt. And you have the temerity to say that Krayt's an equal, let alone a superior?
Hilarious.
Oh, and Krayt wails in agony from his draining, not from anything Abeloth does to him. If anything it's Krayt who gets up faster than Luke at the end.
If you can't even get that much right you have the reading comprehension of a SJW.
Yeh, it is Luke that can't take it, Mara encourages him saying he can, because Krayt is standing and taking it like a champ.
"What?" Luke asked, feeling more confused than resentful. "Mara, I'm wounded, Badly. Abeloth took something out of me.""She wounded him, too." Mara's other hand rose out of the water and pointed past Luke's head, toward the tattooed Sith who had helped Luke kill Abeloth. The stranger was on his feet, limping toward the far shore with both hands clutched to his chest. "If he can do it, so can you."
Star Wars: Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse
Originally posted by Unbowed
This is twisting and wiggling worthy of a reptile.Oh, and Krayt wails in agony from his draining, not from anything Abeloth does to him. If anything it's Krayt who gets up faster than Luke at the end.
If you can't even get that much right you have the reading comprehension of a SJW.
What a response!
"Then she simply fell away, her still-balled tentacles tearing free of both Luke and the stranger … each clutching a handful of dripping, pulsing Force essence."
Originally posted by Unbowed
Furthermore, while Luke delivered the final blow, not that Krayt it also described as clutching a handful of Abeloth's essence. While he was the main target of Abeloth's attack, he didn't pass out and was still able to put up with some resistance.
Originally posted by Unbowed
If you can't even get that much right you have the reading comprehension of a SJW.
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Even so, his entire post relied on the narrative that Luke grappling with Abeloth is more significant, and that Krayt couldn't do it. That's a big misinterpretation, intentional or not.
Krayt can hang with Abeloth if he wants to:
Abeloth loosed a Force blast, trying to drive the stranger off. He held tight. So did Luke, and all three went tumbling across the lake in a snarled mass of limbs and tentacles.
Abeloth lay tangled in Luke’s arms, a writhing mass of Force energy that had suddenly gone limp a second or a day ago, only to explode an hour or a nanosecond later into a flailing tempest that had sent them all rolling and bouncing across the Lake of Apparition’s dark waters. The stranger was tumbling with them, his hand still buried in Abeloth’s chest, now wailing in agony as gleaming black Force energy steamed from his wounds.
The reason Luke tried to restrain/grapple her for Krayt to do his draining, as I mentioned in my original post, is because without a lightsaber his offensive arsenal is very limited.
Luke and the Sith stranger had been hurling Force attacks at her for a lifetime—or perhaps it was a mere eyeblink—and this was the first time she had shown any reaction. Then Luke was there at Abeloth’s side, stomp-kicking her legs, knife-handing her throat, grabbing for her head.
Luke himself realized this and that's why he committed to restrain her and urged Krayt it "pull harder" with his draining.
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And as I stated before, Krayt's draining was the cause for him screaming in pain, not Abeloth's attacks.
The draining seemed to continue for days; then the stranger threw back his head and screamed in anguish, and it suddenly seemed that only a breath had passed. Shiny black Force energy began to pour from the Sith’s wounds into the lake, spreading outward around them in an oily slick so hot the water began to steam and hiss. Still, the stranger continued to drain Abeloth, and Luke realized that he was not being betrayed—the Sith was suffering as much damage from the attack as was Luke.
Now that we've established that you have no business lecturing anyone on reading comprehension... Krayt can "hang" with Abeloth simply because Luke is there to restrain her. You have presented absolutely no evidence to suggest otherwise.
Luke was the one having to manhandle Abeloth from start to finish and was constantly leeched of energy by Krayt. He delivered the final blow. He was also the first to engage and last to fall. When Krayt attacked him, Luke put him on his ass while still restraining Abeloth. When Krayt continued to drain him after Abeloth escaped, he stopped when Luke prepared to defend himself.
Luke continued to lay in the lake after the battle, by his own admission, because he wanted to be reunited with Mara. He used his wounds as an excuse to justify it; Mara's response was that if Krayt can get up, so can Luke. (Which is in itself telling.)
So again, they're not equals, Luke was more impressive, and you're as full of shit now as you were when you first tried to peddle these bullshit ideas to innocent users from the ramshackle pedo-van that is your argument.
Let it go and accept Krayt's inferiority.