Who is the weakest character that can defeat...

Who is the weakest (least powerful) character that can defeat both Quicksilvers (MCU and Foxverse), Flash, and the Reverse Flash all at the same time...every single time (as in a perfect 10/10)?

All four superspeedsters are bloodlusted and are not holding back one bit against any opponent put infront of them in this senario; the superspeedsters will fight with as much lethal intent as they can possibly generate...

Them and their opponent battle under the following conditions: fight to the Death or KO with no BFR allowed...

Starting fight distance is 30 feet away and takes place on an infinite, featureless, plane...

So once again, who is the weakest (least powerful) character that can defeat these four bloodlusted superspeedsters every single time under these conditions?

This team is pretty uber so anyone that can win 10/10 would have to be damn powerful. Dunno about "weakest" but some characters that I think might win are:

Apocalypse
Zoom after stealing Flash's speed
Reeves Superman
Doc Manhattan
Shaw might stalemate

Originally posted by juggerman
This team is pretty uber so anyone that can win 10/10 would have to be damn powerful. Dunno about "weakest" but some characters that I think might win are:

Apocalypse
Zoom after stealing Flash's speed
Reeves Superman
Doc Manhattan
Shaw might stalemate

It's both Quicksilvers, the Flash and the Reverse Flash, and you think Zoom can take all 4 at once? Are you 100% up to date on the Flash?

iirc Zoom was much MUCH faster than either Flash or Reverse Flash before he got the upgrade. He was killed/defeated by time travel shenanigans.

With Zoom's time double ability he should be able to match the team in numbers if needed too

I also have a hard time seeing Shaw managing it, unless he can somehow learn to develop the ability to drain the Speedforce from someone, in order to prevent them from trying a phasing attack. Because while he could likely absorb the kinetic energy they generate as a byproduct of vibrating their limb through his body, it won't help much, considering they are achieving that feat via their connection to the Speedforce. And even if he could drain Speedforce energy, he won't drain all of it from both of them in the time it takes at least one of them to phase a limb through his head or chest.

Originally posted by juggerman
iirc Zoom was much MUCH faster than either Flash or Reverse Flash before he got the upgrade. He was killed/defeated by time travel shenanigans.

With Zoom's time double ability he should be able to match the team in numbers if needed too

Barry got a massive speed upgrade post his whole Speedforce thing. He stopped Zoom's whole machine made to destroy the multiverse via a time remnant, but the real him beat Zoom straight up in a fight. And you bringing up the time remnant doesn't help, considering Barry can do it too, and used it to stop his plan, as mentioned.

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Zoom had Barry beat and stopped to monologue. T'was only after that Barry was able to win. That is a recurring theme in the show. Zoom can easily kill Flash but chooses to try to do other crap instead. If he were inclined, he could end Flash fairly easily.

But I did forget Flash got faster so maybe Zoom can't take them all 10/10

As for Shaw, as I said the best he could hope for is a stalemate assuming he could absorb all they could muster. But he can't win

Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. Barry and him were pretty equal on speed throughout that encounter. He tackled Flash down and had the advantage at that point, but at the end of the day, Barry beat him when it finally came to it, showing that he can take Zoom when he pushes to the limit. Barry also beat him during another episode when he had the tachyon enhancement, and had him pinned down, but chose to stop and chat instead of ending it there too, allowing Zoom time to break free. So it's a two way street in that regard. You should also consider the match stips. Barry, as even seen at the end, was not willing to go for the kill against Zoom. Here it's fully bloodlusted and going as hard as Barry can for the kill.

And Fox Quicksilver is way faster than either of those two in anyways. Like these guys are maybe somewhere between Mach 10 and Mach 20 at the end of season 2. Quicksilver from the mutantverse is in the Mach thousands after X-Men:Apocalypse, based on pretty much all the calcs, from different sources, I have seen.

Xavier seems like the physically weakest that could do it...

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Xavier seems like the physically weakest that could do it...

That's a good thought, but his powers would only work on three of them. FOX-QS has shown he moves way faster than Xavier can react to. So he'd be KO'd or dead before he realized anything even happened.

Originally posted by juggerman
This team is pretty uber so anyone that can win 10/10 would have to be damn powerful. Dunno about "weakest" but some characters that I think might win are:

Apocalypse
Zoom after stealing Flash's speed
Reeves Superman
Doc Manhattan
Shaw might stalemate

Fox QS is much faster than Zoom.

Wonder how Lucy at 99% would do against these stips. Also would Smallville Clark, or Smallville Bart, be allowed?

Lucy at 99% could send her cells inside them, take over their minds, manipulate the matter around them, etc, so I'd see no reason she wouldn't win. She also would still be sentient even if they destroyed parts of her by somehow getting the first strike.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. Barry and him were pretty equal on speed throughout that encounter. He tackled Flash down and had the advantage at that point, but at the end of the day, Barry beat him when it finally came to it, showing that he can take Zoom when he pushes to the limit. Barry also beat him during another episode when he had the tachyon enhancement, and had him pinned down, but chose to stop and chat instead of ending it there too, allowing Zoom time to break free. So it's a two way street in that regard. You should also consider the match stips. Barry, as even seen at the end, was not willing to go for the kill against Zoom. Here it's fully bloodlusted and going as hard as Barry can for the kill.

And Fox Quicksilver is way faster than either of those two in anyways. Like these guys are maybe somewhere between Mach 10 and Mach 20 at the end of season 2. Quicksilver from the mutantverse is in the Mach thousands after X-Men:Apocalypse, based on pretty much all the calcs, from different sources, I have seen.

Barry was amped in that encounter as you pointed out and that was before he was drained of his power and it was added to Zoom iirc. More often than not Zoom has displayed faster speed than Barry and has had him beaten way more often than vice versa. Barry would have been dead several times over had that been what Zoom wanted. But we can agree to disagree

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Wonder how Lucy at 99% would do against these stips. Also would Smallville Clark, or Smallville Bart, be allowed?

Yeah I didn't think of Clark. He would win here too

Originally posted by juggerman
Barry was amped in that encounter as you pointed out and that was before he was drained of his power and it was added to Zoom iirc. More often than not Zoom has displayed faster speed than Barry and has had him beaten way more often than vice versa. Barry would have been dead several times over had that been what Zoom wanted. But we can agree to disagree

The point was that when speed was equalised during a previous encounter, Flash was also able to beat Zoom, but then chose to chat instead of finishing him off. And all those early encounters where Zoom massively outclassed Barry was before he entered the Speedforce and got the amp. Their speed seemed pretty much on par after that. But anyway, this is kind of irrelevant. As pointed out, Fox Quicksilver >>>>> all the other speedsters on his team. He would wreck end of S2 Zoom by himself, IMO.

Are you talking about the time where Flash used pictures of Zoom's family to distract him?

Originally posted by juggerman
Are you talking about the time where Flash used pictures of Zoom's family to distract him?

Yes, but you keep missing the point it seems. Even ignoring the picture distractions, he was matching him for speed. And then once Zoom was caught, Barry chose to chat, instead of KO'ing him. I brought that up because you mentioned instances where Zoom had Barry at his mercy, but chose to let him go. I was merely pointing out that it wasn't always the case, and that Zoom couldn't casually stomp Barry when he no longer had the speed edge. The instances where Zoom was stomping the hell out of Barry, there was a huge speed difference. That massive speed difference is no longer in play, thanks to the Speedforce amp. So those examples are no longer really valid, especially considering that Flash did end up beating him, once the machine got stopped and everyone else was safe.

Look, if you want to believe that Zoom > current Flash, then you are free to. I just see things differently, especially under stips where Barry is out for the kill, unlike all the other instances he's fought Zoom.

All I was doing was making sure that you weren't referencing some other instance that I had forgotten about

Given that this is a featureless environment, I'm thinking someone with a significantly high durability. I'm not familiar with Flash and Reverse Flash, but neither Quicksilver did to my recollection show a durability increase, so if someone is tough enough, like Hancock, what are they going to do? Punching him will most likely break their hand or arm.