Originally posted by leonidas
geezs stfu...anyway, in a ring, where bfr is off, and no iron is available....if this is the version of kurse who was smacking around thor w/belt and power pack and bill i don't see any flash being able to do much. steal speed? he could but kurse (in that form) is just living armor so flash could pound away at him and i'm not sure it would be enough and speed stealing isn't an indefinitely long thing. i mean it took the draining of BOTH mjolnir stormbreaker to just KO him..... that's....friggin ridiculous.
i actually think flash would tire himself out before he could ko kurse. if he didn't use speed steal he could likely avoid kurse until he was exhausted, but i wonder what repeated thunderclaps from someone maybe 5x or more stronger than thor would do to a small battlefield....?
i sort of see this battle the same i see juggs vs flash in ring setting. kurse or juggs would simply wait flash out. flash's only chance as i see it might be vibrating into the armor and trying to destroy it that way, but given how durable kurse was and the magic involved, even that feels iffy to me. without bfr i don't give flash great odds here. /shrug
So you dont think the IMP can ko Kurse or bfr him?
Kurse is eventually just going to hit the Flash, somehow or some way. No need to tie oneself in knots figuring out some logical way for Kurse to win. There isn't one. And yet he will.
Super speed is just screwed up in comics because the alternative is even uglier--a comic hierarchy dominated by speedsters. Fights that are one-sided and hard to draw in an interesting way. Or worse, everyone and their dog having super speed.
Look at the latest Superman vs. Doomsday fight. First, they took super speed away from Doomsday. (Doomsday was just once said to have it and never really used it, but him and Superman both having speed in theory sorta helped us feel better about them fighting at regular speeds.)
But this time, they basically take it away from him, AND have Superman pull a speed blitz move that he said he borrowed from the Flash. Of course he only uses it for a bit (unrealistic--why not always?) and even more funnily, it does jack squat. He hits Doomsday LITERALLY 4,000 times in a row, unopposed and it does nothing. Then Doomsday punches Superman in the face with a regular-speed punch!
Ah Comics, gotta love them!
Originally posted by Pillow Biter
I'm not saying logic doesn't matter in general--we'd have trouble communicating at all if that were true.
I'm just saying that you shouldn't try to be more realistic than the comics typically are.
Comics have shown that Flash sees things frozen in time. That means Kurse wouldn't be moving to him. Comics have also shown that Flash can IMP and steal speed. This is the reality that's in comics.
Any argument for flash is due to it BEING SHOWN IN COMICS. Full capacity rule helps flash do those things all the time (or more frequently).
Hmm...I just re-read the forum rules for the first time in a while.
The PIS rule wasn't one I liked, but it really isn't worded that badly. It's not like what CBR's was. And it doesn't seem to mean what most people here say it means. I remembered that rule, and could live with it.
But what I had missed was the full-capacity rule. It's sorta like the old CBR rule, but not as strong and fill of more contradictions. For all it's insanity, the CBR PIS rule was clean and clear. This one is a bit harder to parse.
See under the CBR PIS rules, not only will the Flash blitz everyone, but the speed will also work realistically. Here, characters will use any powers they have ever used and use them consistently, but it still doesn't require that we evaluate the effectiveness of those tactics in realistic terms. So the the Flash might indeed blitz and STILL have it not be that effective.
This board is so messed up.
Originally posted by Pillow BiterSo you either didnt read the rules or didnt understand them pick one.
Hmm...I just re-read the forum rules for the first time in a while.The PIS rule wasn't one I liked, but it really isn't worded that badly. It's not like what CBR's was. And it doesn't seem to mean what most people here say it means. I remembered that rule, and could live with it.
But what I had missed was the full-capacity rule. It's sorta like the old CBR rule, but not as strong and fill of more contradictions. For all it's insanity, the CBR PIS rule was clean and clear. This one is a bit harder to parse.
See under the CBR PIS rules, not only will the Flash blitz everyone, but the speed will also work realistically. Here, characters will use any powers they have ever used and use them consistently, but it still doesn't require that we evaluate the effectiveness of those tactics in realistic terms. So the the Flash might indeed blitz and STILL have it not be that effective.
This board is so messed up.
Originally posted by h1a8Yeah, even n00b members of the Flash-Family can perceive/react on an attosecond-by-attosecond basis, and also go 'intangible' via molecular vibration. In a forum battle Kurse isn't touching him. That said, the only way(s) for Flash to realistically *win* are via IMPs, and/or speed-stealing.
Comics have shown that Flash sees things frozen in time. That means Kurse wouldn't be moving to him. Comics have also shown that Flash can IMP and steal speed. This is the reality that's in comics.Any argument for flash is due to it BEING SHOWN IN COMICS. Full capacity rule helps flash do those things all the time (or more frequently).
...Though I do wonder what type of effect(if any) a vibrational attack would have on Kurse -- something like this:
http://i.imgur.com/EcLFtN4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ObXnroS.jpg
mmm
No this Pillow Biter just wants to use PIS in fights lol. So yay! Deathstroke beat Flash and GL! Spider-Man beat Firelord! Hulk got choked out by a snake! F*ck yeah. Can't wait until the next Hulk debate. Snakes on a plane is this guys worst nightmare! It's probably like watching a horror film from Hulks POV.
