Batman has faced beings who can body read and he just fought Grayson. However, I wouldn't put Batman against DD. Too boring and most people put them together in fights. I'd put someone like Damian Wayne against Matt.
And Batman/KK aren't the only ones who have learned every MA on the planet. That's not even that impressive.
Batman hasn't, unless you want to resort to bios. Something that was always being frowned upon here.
Not sure about KK. Do you have a panel on hand that has it stated?
Originally posted by Zack M
I'd put someone like Damian Wayne against Matt.
Originally posted by RadZoa
Daredevil is more on Tim Drakes level TBH
You two should get a room.
In terms of top tier MA's DC has:
Sa'ar, Karate Kid, Connor Hawke, Bronze Tiger, Batman, Damian Wayne, Lady Shiva, White Canary, Richard Dragon, Essence, Judomaster, Cassandra Cain, Midnighter, Zealot, 12 Brothers in Silk, Prometheus, Michael Lane (With Suit of Sorrows), Jin Si (the ACTUAL Spirit of Martial Arts), etc...
DC has loads of top tier Martial Artists.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Batman hasn't, unless you want to resort to bios. Something that was always being frowned upon here.Not sure about KK. Do you have a panel on hand that has it stated?
You two should get a room.
Batman HAS. It's actually stated on panel in Kevin Smith's run of Batman. And Phili pointed it out more than once.
Originally posted by Zack M
In terms of top tier MA's DC has:Sa'ar, Karate Kid, Connor Hawke, Bronze Tiger, Batman, Damian Wayne, Lady Shiva, White Canary, Richard Dragon, Essence, Judomaster, Cassandra Cain, Midnighter, Zealot, 12 Brothers in Silk, Prometheus, Michael Lane (With Suit of Sorrows), Jin Si (the ACTUAL Spirit of Martial Arts), etc...
DC has loads of top tier Martial Artists.
Cool, bro. And Marvel has:
Captain America, Daredevil, Wolverine, Moon Knight, Taskmaster, Black Panther, Ogun, Stick, Master Po, Master Izo, Iron Fist, Shang-Chi, Shen Kuei, Moondragon, Mantis, Gamora, Gorgon, Mister X, Mandarin, Temugin, Karnak, Elektra...
Originally posted by Zack M
Batman HAS. It's actually stated on panel in Kevin Smith's run of Batman. And Phili pointed it out more than once.
Phil is dead, left KMC. Do you have quote on hand? It's not that page when Bats is holding some thug against the wall?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cool, bro. And Marvel has:Captain America, Daredevil, Wolverine, Moon Knight, Taskmaster, Black Panther, Ogun, Stick, Master Po, Master Izo, Iron Fist, Shang-Chi, Shen Kuei, Moondragon, Mantis, Gamora, Gorgon, Mister X, Mandarin, Temugin, Karnak, Elektra...
Phil is dead, left KMC. Do you have quote on hand? It's not that page when Bats is holding some thug against the wall?
Counting aliens, too, huh? Forerunner, (Her whole race was bred to be the best warriors in the Multiverse) Fatality, KK, ETC...
You pretty much listed all of MU top fighters.
Originally posted by Zack M
You pretty much listed all of MU top fighters.
Oh, there are more. And most of them are more recognizable than DC's.
Originally posted by Zack M
😂 @ Karnak, Moon Knight, and Ogun.
Karnak has actually mastered his striking power. Through sheer training. Just forgot about everything else. In his current series, he is quite formidable.
Moon Knight is a great fighter, despite being another ersatz Batman. Been a prominent street for 10 years now, getting his own series, minis and stuff. Unlike someone like Richard Dragon, Karate Kid or Bronze Tiger haw-som
Ogun is responsible for training Wolverine and Kitty Pryde and can kill a water buffalo with a single slap. Created his own martial art. Buffed Major Sharp's already great skills by possessing him. Alt. Ogun trained 616 Psylocke in Exiles.
Originally posted by leonidasBlade bit a few people that I know of in battle. He bit one of those vampire hunting twins Mosha and Mikado or what ever their names were. He also bit Draconis in his last ongoing series.
i do recall it happening, but probably. point was, bt's damage soak is no where close to blade's.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Oh, there are more. And most of them are more recognizable than DC's.Karnak has actually mastered his striking power. Through sheer training. Just forgot about everything else. In his current series, he is quite formidable.
Moon Knight is a great fighter, despite being another ersatz Batman. Been a prominent street for 10 years now, getting his own series, minis and stuff. Unlike someone like Richard Dragon, Karate Kid or Bronze Tiger haw-som
Ogun is responsible for training Wolverine and Kitty Pryde and can kill a water buffalo with a single slap. Created his own martial art. Buffed Major Sharp's already great skills by possessing him. Alt. Ogun trained 616 Psylocke in Exiles.
I'm only listing the best of the best. Ogun, Karnak, or MK don't fit that bill, IMO. Maybe MK, but that's it. I could list great fighters, too: Red Hood, Manhunter, Judomaster (Tom), Deathstroke, etc... But they wouldn't be in the A tier of fighters like Shiva, Tiger, Dragon, etc...
Originally posted by Zack M
I guess here are the Steel Wolf scans.
Thanks where didbyou find them?
As I said he was able to cause a little pain (enouhh for a temporary put down) by striking the right point with enough skill.
That was the same steel wolf Russia sent to fight Firestorm
FS's nuclear blasts couldnt lay him low.
He also gave Vixen a hell of a fight.
Another good feat of Bens is vs Ravan.
The guy wore an exosklelton and was punching thru walls. He also gave Dutchess a good fight (you may know her as Lashina of Apokalips Furies)
Originally posted by beatboks
Thanks where didbyou find them?
As I said he was able to cause a little pain (enouhh for a temporary put down) by striking the right point with enough skill.That was the same steel wolf Russia sent to fight Firestorm
FS's nuclear blasts couldnt lay him low.
He also gave Vixen a hell of a fight.
Another good feat of Bens is vs Ravan.
The guy wore an exosklelton and was punching thru walls. He also gave Dutchess a good fight (you may know her as Lashina of Apokalips Furies)
Bronze Tiger respect thread.
Originally posted by Zack M
I'm only listing the best of the best. Ogun, Karnak, or MK don't fit that bill, IMO. Maybe MK, but that's it. I could list great fighters, too: Red Hood, Manhunter, Judomaster (Tom), Deathstroke, etc... But they wouldn't be in the A tier of fighters like Shiva, Tiger, Dragon, etc...
Ogun is superior to Wolverine, who is a certified top-tier.
You'd have much easier time dissing other supernatural grandmasters, like Stick or Izo.
I could nitpick your list, too. Or add more obscures/fluctuating characters to my list, like M'Nai or Deadpool with his unpredictable fighting style, but what's the point. We've derailed the shit out of this thread already 😂
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ogun is superior to Wolverine, who is a certified top-tier.You'd have much easier time dissing other supernatural grandmasters, like Stick or Izo.
I could nitpick your list, too. Or add more obscures/fluctuating characters to my list, like M'Nai or Deadpool with his unpredictable fighting style, but what's the point. We've derailed the shit out of this thread already 😂
I respect Stick, Karnak not so much. Both companies have a crap load of formidable, obscure MA/super soldiers, but I think DC's catalog is superior, especially when you factor in Milestone and WS.
