Fernus vs. Superboy Prime

Martian Vision is not HV, so moot point. Superman, cutting loose with HV, didn't do anything lasting (despite your claims he was holding back).

You were the one claiming there will be no heat around to boost Fernus. And yet, you're also claiming SBP will use his HV like Martian Vision (two different things), and do what Supes could not.
I posted a scan of him literally stomping Superman into the ground. Please show where TP is being used.

Yes, I read the story. Please, show me the latest statement by Superman where he was still holding back. I guess you will ignore this statement and try and handwave it away?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Martian Vision is not HV, so moot point. Superman, cutting loose with HV, didn't do anything lasting (despite your claims he was holding back).

He was fighting Fernus when he was amping from fire provided by Scorch and the nuke.

Here he doesn't has that.

You were the one claiming there will be no heat around to boost Fernus. And yet, you're also claiming SBP will use his HV like Martian Vision (two different things), and do what Supes could not.

SBP is a lot more powerful than both Superman and J'onn combined.

I posted a scan of him literally stomping Superman into the ground. Please show where TP is being used.

Yes, because he was in giant form and knocked Superman down. Plastic Man restrained him in that form.

Are you going to claim Plastic Man is stronger than Superman and SBP now?

Yes, I read the story. Please, show me the latest statement by Superman where he was still holding back. I guess you will ignore this statement and try and handwave it away?

Superman has said it several times that he is going to stop holding back.

And then he actually stops holding back and stomps everyone around. Like say Doomsday. Or Imperiex Probes.

But hey, J'onn is more powerful than SBP. That is your whole point is, right?

Or Fernus will never get hit. Right?

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was fighting Fernus when he was amping from fire provided by Scorch and the nuke.

Here he doesn't has that.

True, he doesn't have that, BUT, he is facing a guy who's HV is:

a lot more powerful than both Superman and J'onn combined.

So which is it? SBP will use HV (more powerful than J'onn and Supes combined, no less!) and it won't give off....any heat to amp him?

Yes, because he was in giant form and knocked Superman down. Plastic Man restrained him in that form.

Btw, please show where the nuke amped his strength/durability levels. All it did was provide energy for the spawning, nothing more, nothing less.

Are you going to claim Plastic Man is stronger than Superman and SBP now?

Superman has said it several times that he is going to stop holding back.

And then he actually stops holding back and stomps everyone around. Like say Doomsday. Or Imperiex Probes.

But hey, J'onn is more powerful than SBP. That is your whole point is, right?

Or Fernus will never get hit. Right? [/B]

Got ya. So when Superman says he's holding back,m he's holding back, but when he's NOT holding back, he's holding back?

I mean, what more did you think Superman could do? He blew Fernus apart, and was leaving nothing standing. what else could he have done, Torquasm-Vo'd his ass? He only had physical attacks, and all it did was a big lot of nothing, and left even Batman without a battle plan.

My point is that physical attacks alone as thrown out by SBP will not work. In a benchpressing contest, SBP all day long.

But not here. Certainly not in Round 1, and not in Rounds 2 and 3. SBP will blow him up, and he will reform.

In abhi's world this is all Superman ever does.

Got ya. So when Superman says he's holding back,m he's holding back, but when he's NOT holding back, he's holding back?

Seriously, his mind isnt going to be changed here; abhi only has one opinion of Superman, so any attempt at debate is just one sided.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

True, he doesn't have that, BUT, he is facing a guy who's HV is:

Heat vision isn't fire vision. When SBP oneshotted J'onn with it, he didn't set him on fire.

It's just a stretch he will start a fire here.

Is Fernus doused with Gasoline here?

Right?

So which is it? SBP will use HV (more powerful than J'onn and Supes combined, no less!) and it won't give off....any heat to amp him?

Heat doesn't amps Fernus, Fire does.

Martian vision just heats things too. J'onn and Superman have caused sun level heat combined.

Yet, it didn't amp Fernus.

He was toying with them, and stalling until the nuke could hit Chongqing. Afterwards, PM couldn't hold him:

Ah, the old "stalling."

It's not like the nuke created a lot more fire and Fernus amped on it.

No, he was just stalling and getting himself smacked around.

You go girl.

Btw, please show where the nuke amped his strength/durability levels. All it did was provide energy for the spawning, nothing more, nothing less.

The burning Martians amped themselves on fire. That's why when he was submerged in water, he became completely helpless.

But hey, let's ignore that, eh?

Post the scan where he is restraining him. Here, WW AND Plas aren't able to restrain him from smacking Superman and literally stomping his face into the ground:

Hey guy, even in the same scan he shrinks down to normal size after Scorch absorbs all that fire.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3042725-fernus4xb7.jpg

But let's ignore that too, eh?

Got ya. So when Superman says he's holding back,m he's holding back, but when he's NOT holding back, he's holding back?

I mean, what more did you think Superman could do? He blew Fernus apart, and was leaving nothing standing. what else could he have done, Torquasm-Vo'd his ass? He only had physical attacks, and all it did was a big lot of nothing, and left even Batman without a battle plan.

I don't know man, dousing out the fire and disintegrating him worked just fine.

And Superman has mental blocks. He can't kill a being even if he tries.

My point is that physical attacks alone as thrown out by SBP will not work. In a benchpressing contest, SBP all day long.

Disintegrating him works just fine.

Unless J'onn has disintegrating vision that only he has.

But not here. Certainly not in Round 1, and not in Rounds 2 and 3. SBP will blow him up, and he will reform. [/B]

If he has fire to amp him up.

And Guardians knocked Burning Martians out without blowing them up too.

Where is the fire to amp him here?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Heat vision isn't fire vision. When SBP oneshotted J'onn with it, he didn't set him on fire.

It's just a stretch he will start a fire here.

Is Fernus doused with Gasoline here?

Heat doesn't amps Fernus, Fire does.

Martian vision just heats things too. J'onn and Superman have caused sun level heat combined.

Yet, it didn't amp Fernus.

Ah, the old "stalling."

It's not like the nuke created a lot more fire and Fernus amped on it.

No, he was just stalling and getting himself smacked around.

You go girl.

The burning Martians amped themselves on fire. That's why when he was submerged in water, he became completely helpless.

But hey, let's ignore that, eh?

Hey guy, even in the same scan he shrinks down to normal size after Scorch absorbs all that fire.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/3042725-fernus4xb7.jpg

But let's ignore that too, eh?

I don't know man, dousing out the fire and disintegrating him worked just fine.

And Superman has mental blocks. He can't kill a being even if he tries.

Disintegrating him works just fine.

Unless J'onn has disintegrating vision that only he has.

If he has fire to amp him up.

And Guardians knocked Burning Martians out without blowing them up too.

Where is the fire to amp him here?

I take it you never read the book. Why? Because fire does not amp up burning Martians - all it does is enable them to spawn. They give birth via flame, and the purpose of the fire was simply to enable Fernus to give birth to others like him. There was no 'amping' of any sort.

Nowhere in that story does it mention amping.

Originally posted by riv6672
In abhi's world this is all Superman ever does.

Seriously, his mind isnt going to be changed here; abhi only has one opinion of Superman, so any attempt at debate is just one sided.

The only time Superman isn't holding back is when he has a high ft. Otherwise, he's holding back.

Originally posted by carver9
The only time Superman isn't holding back is when he has a high ft. Otherwise, he's holding back.

Originally posted by spetznaz
I take it you never read the book. Why? Because fire does not amp up burning Martians - all it does is enable them to spawn. They give birth via flame, and the purpose of the fire was simply to enable Fernus to give birth to others like him. There was no 'amping' of any sort.

But please explain why Fernus became completely helpless once submerged in water and why Fire was the fuel which gave them energy enough to reproduce?

Thats not an amp.

Originally posted by riv6672
Thats not an amp.

Nope, it isn't.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I get that you haven't read the comic.

But please explain why Fernus became completely helpless once submerged in water and why Fire was the fuel which gave them energy enough to reproduce?

Not only have I read the comic, it is one of my favourite ones as it presents a very enjoyable narrative.

But to answer your questions - fire being the 'fuel' that enables him to reproduce does not equal an amp. As for the water (as well as the earlier scene of his imp girlfriend holding back the flames), that was simply to ensure that he did not reproduce. As clearly stated, even though the JLA had managed to stop the nuclear Armageddon that would have spawned many burning Martians, there was still enough flame for 'at least one.' And considering the crap Fernus had given the team, even one extra burning Martian would have been too much.

To sum it up:
- Fire and suffering is what leads to burning Martians reproducing.
- All Martians - green and white - have the ability to become burning Martians, which are their real form. The reason they are afraid of fire is because of genetic tampering done to them by the Guardians of Oa due to the threat they saw the burning Martians could be. As said several times, that's why there is the irony of someone as powerful as Jjon being afraid of a matchstick.
- when Jjon's imp girlfriend helped him overcome his innate fear of flame, that triggered a loosening of the genetic (not just mental - genetic) blocks that kept the burning locked up, and Fernus was birthed.

Anyway - you might be correct on one thing. I have not read the version YOU read where fire amps up burning Martians, and from other comments on the site it appears that others have also not read YOUR version. Thus it appears two variants of the same book - your version where fire is an amp, and the version everyone else has read where it is not.

Originally posted by spetznaz
I take it you never read the book. Why? Because fire does not amp up burning Martians - all it does is enable them to spawn. They give birth via flame, and the purpose of the fire was simply to enable Fernus to give birth to others like him. There was no 'amping' of any sort.

Ps. I still despise you.

Originally posted by riv6672
Nowhere in that story does it mention amping.

Originally posted by riv6672
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Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Martian Vision is not HV, so moot point.

Actually, it has been called "heat vision."

And treated as much as well, here where J'onn heats-up guns to make people drop them(something Superman has done on many occasions).

Or where it was called "LASER Vision" and J'onn baked Clayface.

Sometimes writers treat it differently, but I don't know how often they actually do.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Never said he was special. I said Superman was not holding back, and despite the entire League not holding back, was unable to put him down (unlike J'onn, who did).

Fernus treated Supes like a joke, J'onn is not Fernus (as you have said before) and Superman is not SBP.

No fire to amp him? I thought SBP was going to use his HV? That.....creates heat, which sets fire to things, no?

It doesn't matter any which way you slice it. Fernus and his power set>>>>Superman's on panel and definitively so. Superman fans trying to create some sort of hey he used tp doesn't matter as it proves he can rape him whenever he wants to. Other examples outside the arc have nothing to do with how these characters have matched up directly on panel. Fernus' power>>>Superman's. Logically it makes sense as well as an on panel confirmation.

Direct Scans>>>>> their arguments.

Originally posted by riv6672
In abhi's world this is all Superman ever does.

Seriously, his mind isnt going to be changed here; abhi only has one opinion of Superman, so any attempt at debate is just one sided.

Originally posted by quanchi112
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Ps. I still despise you.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
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It doesn't matter any which way you slice it. Fernus and his power set>>>>Superman's on panel and definitively so. Superman fans trying to create some sort of hey he used tp doesn't matter as it proves he can rape him whenever he wants to. Other examples outside the arc have nothing to do with how these characters have matched up directly on panel. Fernus' power>>>Superman's. Logically it makes sense as well as an on panel confirmation.

Direct Scans>>>>> their arguments.

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Finally, he's back.