Right.
Glad you agree. 👆
Even Mother Talzin managed to push Mace Windu back in a melee-oriented clash.
Momentarily, yeah, and on a potent DS nexus to boot. I view this as more a positive for a Sidious-tier Force user, rather than a negative for Mace Windu. Unless, Talzin has some underwhelming feat out there that deems such a showing from her contradictory to what I'm saying - then I don't see how this really puts a dent any kind in my argument. mmm
Windu's performance against Palpatine represents his finest hour. It doesn't implies that Windu would steamroll any other opponent.
Never claimed it did. But it does portray about his ceiling as a duelist, and lends credence to Nick Gillards statement regarding his skill.
Alternate theory is that Palpatine threw the fight to gain sympathy of Anakin Skywalker.
Possibly, it's far from an conclusive conclusion as Lucasfilm itself has elected to let the fans come up with their own hypothesis rather than objectively shedding light on the subject.
Concentrate on the bigger picture. Your opinion is grounded in a single fight, which is problematic.
Nah - not really. My entire argument is: Mace's technical proficiency with a blade shares close parity with Sidious/Yoda, and his combative skill can reach level where he can stalemate/best Sidious.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Glad you agree. 👆Momentarily, yeah, and on a potent DS nexus to boot. I view this as more a positive for a Sidious-tier Force user, rather than a negative for Mace Windu. Unless, Talzin has some underwhelming feat out there that deems such a showing from her contradictory to what I'm saying - then I don't see how this really puts a dent any kind in my argument. mmm
Never claimed it did. But it does portray about his ceiling as a duelist, and lends credence to Nick Gillards statement regarding his skill.
Possibly, it's far from an conclusive conclusion as Lucasfilm itself has elected to let the fans come up with their own hypothesis rather than objectively shedding light on the subject.
Nah - not really. My entire argument is: Mace's technical proficiency with a blade shares close parity with Sidious/Yoda, and his combative skill can reach level where he can stalemate/best Sidious.
When Mother Talzin exchanged blows with Palpatine, the latter remarked that she had no skill. Now this is embarrassing for Mace Windu. 😉
Windu is recognized as one of the greatest duelists of the Jedi Order. Never disputed this fact. However, we don't see him steamrolling any duelist of note.
Problem is that you operate on the assumption that nobody was on par with Palpatine or Yoda in Jedi dueling arts with the exception of Windu in earlier times. This is a baseless (and problematic) assumption.
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I didn't.
'Aight, G.
When Mother Talzin exchanged blows with Palpatine, the latter remarked that she had no skill. Now this is embarrassing for Mace Windu.
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Honestly? One can speculate that Talzin skill deteriorated from being in a body foreign from her own, while using melee weapon, unlike her own magik created sword. Otherwise, it just doesn't make sense that Talzin wouldn't be anywhere near Dooku when she gave Windu a solid fight. Not even a powerful nexus like Dathomir can come close to diminishing someone to that degree.
Windu is recognized as one of the greatest duelists of the Jedi Order. Never disputed this fact. However, we don't see him steamrolling any duelist of note.
Using this criteria, neither did Yoda.
Problem is that you operate on the assumption that nobody was on par with Palpatine or Yoda in Jedi dueling arts with the exception of Windu in earlier times. This is a baseless (and problematic) assumption.
No, I'm saying neither Arcann or the Outlander can't make that claim, while Mace can. Unless you believe otherwise, I dunno how this undermines my argument.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Honestly? One can speculate that Talzin skill deteriorated from being in a body foreign from her own, while using melee weapon, unlike her own magik created sword. Otherwise, it just doesn't make sense that Talzin wouldn't be anywhere near Dooku when she gave Windu a solid fight. Not even a powerful nexus like Dathomir can come close to diminishing someone to that degree.
Even if you look at the clash between Mother Talzin and Mace Windu, you don't see much skill in the blows of Mother Talzin. She pushes Windu back with sheer ferocity of her blows.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Using this criteria, neither did Yoda.
Then why assume that nobody else is in their league?
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
No, I'm saying neither Arcann or the Outlander can't make that claim, while Mace can. Unless you believe otherwise, I dunno how this undermines my argument.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Honestly? One can speculate that Talzin skill deteriorated from being in a body foreign from her own, while using melee weapon, unlike her own magik created sword. Otherwise, it just doesn't make sense that Talzin wouldn't be anywhere near Dooku when she gave Windu a solid fight. Not even a powerful nexus like Dathomir can come close to diminishing someone to that degree.
Well, it will be nothing more then a speculation after all. And despite the fact, that windu and dooku were comperable duelists, Dooku always did better against fighters of lower level. He nearly stomped Ventress, two times. While Mace just overhelmed her in their first fight, and during their second meeting, she did a bit better then in preivous fight. Dooku also had the upper hand against Grievous, while Windu stelemated him. Dooku stomped Bulq and Tholme, while Windu stelemated Bulq in single duel.
And it was suggested in a comic, that Talzin had full control over Dooku's body.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDLightsabers have always been regarded as much more difficult to wield than your average sword, hence why Force users train with swords before moving up to lightsabers.
I am not sure why Mother Talzin would find it difficult to effectively wield a Lightsaber if she is good in sword-fighting or melee combat in general. If you are good with a sword, you are good with a Lightsaber as well.
As for Talzin and Windu, it's obvious that their fight mostly consisted of simple blade-locking rather than a genuine back and forth of skilled duelists. She's a pretty shit duelist, Mace isn't.