Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
No, none of this stuff perhaps apart from straight-up grabbing someone's genitals or actually penetrating someone("accidentally" fingering someone in the ass while slapping them on the thigh, yeah bloody right) even comes close to sexual assault/rape.
Maybe you should look up sexual assault then it's intentionally vague
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Well, vagueness sucks because apparently an awkward hug can be interpreted as sexual assault.
You shouldn't downplay it. Every one had their own comfort zone. Every one has their own definition of sexual contact. Keep you hands to yourself it's just that simple. It's vague for the victims sake not the attacker.
Originally posted by Intersectional
A lot of would be John Wayne's on this forum who want to slap women's bums. The truth is any unwanted attention can be assault if someone has been asked to desist it certainly is. Stop means stop and no means no. If you think it doesn't Surtur, then you are a potential sex offender.
Not only that most men set themselves up by thinking what their doing is ok. Then blame rape culture when their accused of something.
Originally posted by Intersectional
A lot of would be John Wayne's on this forum who want to slap women's bums. The truth is any unwanted attention can be assault if someone has been asked to desist it certainly is. Stop means stop and no means no. If you think it doesn't Surtur, then you are a potential sex offender.
By the current definition most people are already sex offenders.
I've made several unwanted advances on women and have several made towards me.
An unwanted advance being a suggestion of sexual nature that was rejected.
Originally posted by krisblaze
One time stuff like sexual proposals at parties are treated as sexual assault by the ruling definition.Nobody said anything about consistent advances.
Honestly it's alot of grey area to be considered. You just have to use good judgements and common sense...plus KNOW who youre dealing with. Dont expect anything. A good rule of thumb i tell alotta guys is let"her" make the first move. Once she's QBing the situation you generally have nothing to worry about.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Honestly it's alot of grey area to be considered. You just have to use good judgements and common sense...plus KNOW who youre dealing with. Dont expect anything. A good rule of thumb i tell alotta guys is let"her" make the first move. Once she's QBing the situation you generally have nothing to worry about.
Good luck getting women with that strategy.
I'm not even going to go into what an absurd kind of role-dynamic that sets up.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
You shouldn't downplay it. Every one had their own comfort zone. Every one has their own definition of sexual contact. Keep you hands to yourself it's just that simple. It's vague for the victims sake not the attacker.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I'm not downplaying it as much as trying to demonstrate how silly this is. Do you think it would be okay to drag someone through the mud and accuse them of sexual assault/rape because of an awkward hug with an acquaintance? Sometimes the real victim is not who you think they are.
I know that. Im just offering advice.
I feel compelled to bring up a recent case that took place in Norway.
An 18 year old girl accused 3 men of drugging and gangraping her (28, 28 and 32).
It happened after they had been partying together and she had been offered some drugs MDMA/E. There were pictures of the sex but there was a conclusive lack of evidence that she actually didn't want to have sex, and it led to three men walking. The media is up in arms about the injustice of our legal system, but this really feels like one of those cases where you agree to someone when you're drunk and later regret it.
So I didn't think this deserved it's own topic, but a video also featuring Camille and it discusses just how far universities have fallen:
To be which yeah it sees college used to almost represent rebellion and freedom and the sharing of new thoughts and ideas and now it's all about..coddling.
Little late getting in on this but I hadn't been in this section in a while, since as evidenced by a recent banning or three and the lack of action much of it had sadly deteriorated into racism and a lot of foolishness.
This topic, however, like most on sex and sexuality for some reason has mostly stayed on topic and has been pretty informed. Anyway, I just wanted to chime in on the 1 in 5 thing. Every posting I've seen about it on campus--and my university has made a very big push the entire time I've been there to raise awareness in a healthy way--mentions "victim of an attempted or completed sexual assault". That would include everything from unwanted groping and beyond, but afaik it doesn't include things like a kiss or embrace. All incidents on our campus are reported; all members of staff and faculty are required to report events that they become aware of directly or indirectly, and campus-wide emails are sent out for occurrences, listing the location and any pertinent details. We actually don't have a lot of issues considering the size of the school and the size of the metro area around it, but when they occur I think the consensus is that they are handled well overall, though there is room for improvement in some cases.
My main hope would be that the majority continue with informed discussion about gender roles, boundaries, etc, and that we don't devolve into a bunch of tumblr SJWs hating and fearing each other for no reason. It's sad that things like modern Feminism are a thing and that it leads to somewhat out there but understandable movements like MGTOW. One real activist made the excellent point that the problem with Feminism is that it continues to put men and women in two different camps rather than doing what would be both more intelligent and effective, pushing for functional and thought out human rights rather than one-sided women's rights that constantly identify women as weak victims in need of constant protection and men as nothing but aggressors incapable of showing or learning compassionate treatment of others.