Darth Marr vs. Vodo Siosk Baas

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/me shoves his cock in Joker's mouth

So this is why KMC has a rep of being garbage.....Makes sense.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Good argument, Wollf. Going with Baas. 🙂

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Originally posted by MythLord
Baas was described as the Mace Windu of his time, i.e. the second most powerful Jedi.

So... not more powerful than Thon. Gotcha. 👆

Given how the most powerful Jedi of the time, or the Yoda of the time, was Odan Urr... yeah more powerful than Thon.

No clue why you think being the main two Jedi of the Order translates into power. 😬

I wouldn't say Urr is the most powerful either, so your comparison was shit. 👆

Urr is literally the leader/Grandmaster of the Order. You'd need to be the most powerful(and knowledgable, which usually translates to power) in order to be Grandmaster.

And given how, at the time said statement was made, Yoda and Mace were the two main Jedi because they were the most powerful in the Order, my comparison is completely valid, and I don't really care what you'd say. 👆

Yeah, I think the "Yoda and Mace" of their time thing is more symbolic than anything else.

Satele Shan could be listed as the "Yoda" of her time --- given position as the Grandmaster and importance to the Order as a whole, yet we know HoT > Shan.

Like I said above: at the time of the statement, Yoda and Mace were the two big boys because they're superior to any other Jedi of the Order at that time.

And prior to HoT surpassing her, Satele was technically the Yoda of her time.

Like I said above: at the time of the statement, Yoda and Mace were the two big boys because they're superior to any other Jedi of the Order at that time.

Still doesn't detract from the fact that it could have been a symbolic statement, rather than a power one.

And prior to HoT surpassing her, Satele was technically the Yoda of her time.

This, quite frankly, doesn't matter. If Satele can still be seen as the Yoda of her time even after being surpassed by the Hero, that means an "accolade" such as the one Urr sports, doesn't, necessarily, have to refer to power.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Still doesn't detract from the fact that it could have been a symbolic statement, rather than a power one.
This, quite frankly, doesn't matter. If Satele can still be seen as the Yoda of her time even after being surpassed by the Hero, that means an "accolade" such as the one Urr sports, doesn't, necessarily, have to refer to power.

Could have. However, though, the quote following that accolade says this:

Taken from: Power of the Jedi Sourcebook
Much of the respect Jedi Masters garner within their respective Orders relates to their strength in the Force.

So, it's more than likely referring to power, and not just being symbolic.

Yes "much", which means it isn't exclusively referring to power. 👆

So most of their respect/status comes from power, which means it's more likely they gained their status through strength in the Force than just to be symbolic. 👆

Simply shrugging it off as a less likely conclusion based on Satele Shan's admission that HoT her, would be an anecdotal fallacy.

The only Jedi who had any claim to being possibly the most powerful Jedi at the time was Ulic, due to the fact he was the only one who could hold a candle to Kun, who was far stronger than any of the other Jedi of that time according to a source. Sylvar also suggested Ulic was possibly their strongest member. Obviously Kun is also a candidate there.

Being the Grandmaster/right-hand man of the Order doesn't necessitate superiority over everyone else. HoT > Satele? Anakin by RotS?

Like I said, anecdotal fallacies.

And from what I recall, Ulic was called the "greatest" of the Jedi, not neccessarily the most powerful.

And The Jedi Path pretty much confirms to be a Grandmaster, one needs to be the greatest/wisest/most powerful member of the Jedi Order, and with the exception of Qel-Droma, Urr and Baas were the most powerful Jedi within the Order.

Come to think of it... that only strengthens my point, since Baas was doing more than just holding a candle to Exar.

I'd say Nomi > Urr and Thon.

When she became the leader of the Jedi Order, yeah I'd actually agree with that.

I'm going with Marr.

Jedi are not sith, they don't have to be the most powerful to be in a leader position.