Originally posted by Petrus
When did Dooku beat Windu without his MagnaGuards pulling him down?And why wouldn't Windu get a Vaapad boost if this is SoR Revan? Shatterpoint's also there.
Windu was able to hold off and reflect Sidious' extremely potent lightning. Why wouldn't he be able to resist Revan's TK?
Also, Windu > Revan in terms of dueling skills.
By the end of his life, Revan was a Jedi at heart, and this includes his good side and bad side. :/
Originally posted by PetrusYeah, I never disputed your first point.
Windu's lightsaber skills > Revan's. Revan is Windu's superior when it comes to Force power, but he's definitely not ragdolling him at all, not even close.
...And why... is that?
Revan did fine TK'ing a group of 8 powerful combatants at once.
I don't see why he couldn't Ragdoll Windu, he's incredibly inferior to Revan in terms of Force Power.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Yeah, I never disputed your first point....And why... is that?
Revan did fine TK'ing a group of 8 powerful combatants at once.
I don't see why he couldn't Ragdoll Windu, he's incredibly inferior to Revan in terms of Force Power.
He definitely is, but not as inferior as you think, considering someone as powerful as Sidious didn't even come close to ragdolling him.
Windu is also superior to any of those 8 combatants, by a good margin.
Sid could have blitzed Windu had he really wanted, but he wanted to use Windu to help turn Anakin dark. Revan is debatably on the same level as ROTS Sidious in the Force (though Revan can by no means beat Sid), Revan being on that level, and having no reason to keep Windu alive (like Sid did) spells deatth for Windu.
Originally posted by Petrus
When did Dooku beat Windu without his MagnaGuards pulling him down?And why wouldn't Windu get a Vaapad boost if this is SoR Revan? Shatterpoint's also there.
Windu was able to hold off and reflect Sidious' extremely potent lightning. Why wouldn't he be able to resist Revan's TK?
Also, Windu > Revan in terms of dueling skills.
The point is that Dooku could beat Windu. He's comparable, if not superior, as a swordsman and is more powerful than Windu is with a greater ability to utilise the Force mid-duel.
Windu won't get a chance to use Shatterpoint or Vaapad when he's dangling in the air.
Vaapad won't help him against Revan's lightning and Windu is laughably inferior to Revan in TK.
Revan can teleport. He doesn't even need to duel Windu if he doesn't want to.
Originally posted by Petrus
Windu is also superior to any of those 8 combatants, by a good margin.
Gross. Nox, Wrath, Thor and HoT are every bit as powerful as Windu, easily. 😬
Originally posted by Nephthys
The point is that Dooku could beat Windu. He's comparable, if not superior, as a swordsman and is more powerful than Windu is with a greater ability to utilise the Force mid-duel.Windu won't get a chance to use Shatterpoint or Vaapad when he's dangling in the air.
Vaapad won't help him against Revan's lightning and Windu is laughably inferior to Revan in TK.
Revan can teleport. He doesn't even need to duel Windu if he doesn't want to.
They're comparable, yes, but Windu's ultimately superior imo.
If Windu manages to close in, Revan could lose. Could.
What's to say Revan can TK Windu as easily? Windu's defenses are good enough to full-on resist and reflect Sidious' extremely powerful lightning. That also means he's capable of resisting Revan's lightning.
I'm not saying Windu would win, though. I'm saying he can hold him off long enough.
Originally posted by NephthysI agree with this. (Next part is for everybody) I see nothing making Windu vastly superior to any of TOR's Force using protagonists. Windu may be a better duelist, that I can easily see (though he's not far superior to them, just superior) but HoT and Wrath at least are a stronger in the Force, and Nox being among the top members of the Dark Council puts him at least on Windu's level in the Force; most likely above him.
The point is that Dooku could beat Windu. He's comparable, if not superior, as a swordsman and is more powerful than Windu is with a greater ability to utilise the Force mid-duel.Windu won't get a chance to use Shatterpoint or Vaapad when he's dangling in the air.
Vaapad won't help him against Revan's lightning and Windu is laughably inferior to Revan in TK.
Revan can teleport. He doesn't even need to duel Windu if he doesn't want to.
Gross. Nox, Wrath, Thor and HoT are every bit as powerful as Windu, easily. 😬
Originally posted by Petrus
They're comparable, yes, but Windu's ultimately superior imo.If Windu manages to close in, Revan could lose. Could.
What's to say Revan can TK Windu as easily? Windu's defenses are good enough to full-on resist and reflect Sidious' extremely powerful lightning. That also means he's capable of resisting Revan's lightning.
I'm not saying Windu would win, though. I'm saying he can hold him off long enough.
His lightning, but Sidious never once tried to ragdoll him.
Revan is good enough in sabers to hold off Windu as well.
Originally posted by Petrus
They're comparable, yes, but Windu's ultimately superior imo.If Windu manages to close in, Revan could lose. Could.
What's to say Revan can TK Windu as easily? Windu's defenses are good enough to full-on resist and reflect Sidious' extremely powerful lightning. That also means he's capable of resisting Revan's lightning.
I'm not saying Windu would win, though. I'm saying he can hold him off long enough.
Literally the only thing indicating that is the Sidious fight, which was highly circumstantial.
Nah. Revan could easily teleport away or push Windu back.
Windu has no TK showings near Revan's level. Windu reflected Sidious' lightning with Vaapad, theres no indication that would work with TK. Windu may be able to reflect Revan's lightning, but thats hardly Revan's go-to technique and who knows how effectively Windu can deal with Revan's Force Storm AoE.
He couldn't.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Literally the only thing indicating that is the Sidious fight, which was highly circumstantial.Nah. Revan could easily teleport away or push Windu back.
Windu has no TK showings near Revan's level. Windu reflected Sidious' lightning with Vaapad, theres no indication that would work with TK. Windu may be able to reflect Revan's lightning, but thats hardly Revan's go-to technique and who knows how effectively Windu can deal with Revan's Force Storm AoE.
He couldn't.
...Neph, buddy, please don't tell me you're trying to argue that Revan is Windu's superior in sabers?
That isn't the only thing that puts Windu up there, Windu is constantly stated to be the second best duelist in the Jedi Order, if not the best, above Yoda, several times. Though there's more evidence pointing to Yoda being his superior.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Revan, one of the greatest psychological warfare masters in history, with Vitiate-affecting telepathy to boot, can undermine one of the most unstable characters in the mythos.
Master of psychological warfare or not, Revan can't and won't manipulate someone he knows nothing about while engaged in a duel that's unlikely to last more than a few minutes. The idea that RotS-era Anakin is one of the most unstable characters in the mythos prior to his fall is also cancerous, for the record. Don't make me disown you.
Also, while Revan was capable of influencing Vitiate telepathically--which, mind you, may have been retconned by KOTFE besides--he only did so by tracing back a mental channel ala Vol/Abeloth, in a situation where he could focus all of his resources into doing so. He couldn't and didn't do so during his fight with Vitiate, or anyone else of note on record. So I'm going to need a little more on that front to convince me that it will be Anakin ****ing Skywalker's undoing, thank you much~
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Master of psychological warfare or not, Revan can't and won't manipulate someone he knows nothing about while engaged in a duel that's unlikely to last more than a few minutes.
Revan, who's foremost teachings to the Sith Assassins was to how to break the minds of the Jedi they fought, is going to use that to his advantage.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
The idea that RotS-era Anakin is one of the most unstable characters in the mythos prior to his fall is also cancerous, for the record.
Right.
Also, while Revan was capable of influencing Vitiate telepathically--which, mind you, may have been retconned by KOTFE besides--
he only did so by tracing back a mental channel ala Vol/Abeloth, in a situation where he could focus all of his resources into doing so.
He couldn't and didn't do so during his fight with Vitiate,
or anyone else of note on record.
So I'm going to need a little more on that front to convince me that it will be Anakin ****ing Skywalker's undoing,
thank you much~