Originally posted by Kotor3
Apoc is where you an I differ. While his powers are versatile, I don't see them being able to take out DD or Superman. DD or Superman could fling him into outer space with one toss. They could easily blitz him. This being a fight where they aren't holding back I don't see Apoc being an issue.
That's the thing though, if anybody is BFRing somebody it's Apoc BFRing Doomsday. That is how I see it anyways. I don't get the blitzing thing though. He has total control over his molecular structure, I could easily see him during into something to alleviate anything physical damage they could do. Further, I'd say he could likely TP Superman with his abilities. I don't remember any superman showings that show he's strong against mental attacks. Do you?
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiWhat exactly could he turn to that they could not effect within the physical realm? Superman definitely has not shown himself to be mentally strong. Still, not sure how long that would be effective. I see no mental attack having any effect on DD rendering that ability moot for this fight if DD attacks him.
That's the thing though, if anybody is BFRing somebody it's Apoc BFRing Doomsday. That is how I see it anyways. I don't get the blitzing thing though. He has total control over his molecular structure, I could easily see him during into something to alleviate anything physical damage they could do. Further, I'd say he could likely TP Superman with his abilities. I don't remember any superman showings that show he's strong against mental attacks. Do you?
I still see Apoc as the weak link. I personally think he is out of his league in this battle.
Originally posted by Kotor3
What exactly could he turn to that they could not effect within the physical realm? Superman definitely has not shown himself to be mentally strong. Still, not sure how long that would be effective. I see no mental attack having any effect on DD rendering that ability moot for this fight if DD attacks him.I still see Apoc as the weak link. I personally think he is out of his league in this battle.
That's the thing... If Apoc TP's superman, he could just have him attack DD. All three could attack him or BFR him. Apoc is just too versatile for team 2 imo
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiThat is a strong assumption though. This superman is not the brightest I do agree but that doesn't mean he can without severe effort be controlled.
That's the thing... If Apoc TP's superman, he could just have him attack DD. All three could attack him or BFR him. Apoc is just too versatile for team 2 imo
However, lets go with your scenario. Without the K, I don't see DD losing. I mean its the only thing that took him out and he was distracted when he got caught. Seriously, how don't you see Apoc as the weak link? If the match is prolong with DD constant evolving in power soon it wouldn't matter what they did to him.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
First off, the ease in which Kurse dealt with Thor, leads me to believe he's right there with Superman when it comes to strength. Based on feats Superman is stronger, but feats are the only thing we can go by. There is also something called implied power or power scaling that can be used. For example, Odin doesn't have strength feats that can compare to Cap, does that mean I believe Cap is stronger? Absolutely not. The way Kurse treated Thor, was as if he was a mere child. So when you powerscale that up, we get near Superman imo. Plus Kurse is unquestionably for durable based on feats.Then we have the issue of Apoc, and I honestly don't know what they are even going to do to him. He's so versatile in his powers and abilities that it puts team 2 to shame. Literally. To say nothing of DD getting BFR'd right away. Then that leaves superman against Apco and Kurse... yeah, goodnight.
You say based on feats Superman is stronger, but I really don't see Superman as swatting away Thor's hammer like Kurse did.
Perhaps if the tectonic plate feat was valid, but since it's only a headline..it's not enough.
Uh, Superman's punches damaged Doomsday after he had adapted to surviving a nuclear bomb exploding on him.
That's the only strength feat either needs, if we're being honest here.
Either Doomsday OR Superman would ragdoll Apocalypse and Kurse. Thor when he fought Kurse =/= Current Thor. He's clearly gotten much more powerful since then, especially considering how well he did against Hulk while unarmed.
Regardless, Apocalypse's only feasible chance here would be to win via TP, and that's something I don't see working particularly well on Superman, and definitely not on Doomsday. Disregarding Doomsday's adaptability, they should both be capable of thinking at a substantially faster rate than Apocalypse, considering their raw speeds are capable of blitzing the Flash(who is >>>>> Quicksilver).
Anyways, there's really nothing Apocalypse or Kurse could do to put DD or SM down, and there are plenty of ways the latter two could kill the former. Superman alone could just behead them both with heat vision at the start of the fight, tbh.