Ulic and Exar vs Mace and Dooku

Started by Rockydonovang4 pages

Do you want to counter it ant, or should I?

I was pretty sure I already made a post to SithMaster regarding Mace's near-parity with Sidious in the EU section. Did he respond and I miss it, or did he just ignore it?

I don't think the post was on this thread, anyhow I'd like your pov on how circumstantial the vapaad boost was

if mace is almost sidious then how did he not stomp grievous ventress or bulq lol

Because
A. He hadn't fully accepted his inner darkness yet
B. You can't use vapaad fully on a droid
C. He was pre-prime
D. IIRC Mace was stalling bill for some reason

Anyhow he doesn't have to be a near equal which I've never really argued

Vaapad is described as Mace containing an immense concentration of Force energy that's about to explode at-bay, and then through his mastery of the technique, using the energy to augment his abilities in ways that wouldn't be possible through standard means due to having so much more power readily available. That being said, the second element, the super-conducting loop, in which Mace was able to establish Palpatine's power as the subject of the loop and not his own, is perhaps by forming a Force bond or using a variant of Consume Essence. Mace can sustain this explosion of energy via the additional dark-side energy flowing into him from Palpatine and then back again into Palpatine (the drawback is the risk of losing control of the energy and being consumed by the dark-side, but with Mace's heightened mental state due to the situation of Palpatine being Sidious, that wasn't even a threat in ROTS). That's my interpretation of it, at least. Thus, then, without having Palpatine-level power to support the ball of energy he's keeping at bay, Mace wouldn't be able to maintain such a level of power (which is all his, by the way). However, I imagine Mace can replicate the power of any dark-side opponent he is fighting up to the level of Sidious. I'm not sure how the ability would work against two powerful opponents and another dark-side ally, such as here with Kun, Droma, and Dooku, but at the very least he should be able to get to at least Kun's level, but perhaps even much higher (again peaking at Sidious level).

vaapad was a shitshow i feel bad for stover or whoever the hell it was that wrote rots, tryna make sense of lucas' bs in the movies lol

I find the rest agreeable, but by energy about to explode, are you referring to Mace's increased "inner darkness"? I'd argue his inner darkness wouldn't just dissipate after the fight, rather it's something that stays with mace much in the same way the inner darkness from the outer rim sieges still remains when Kenobi meets mace in rots.

Originally posted by ChocolateMuesli
vaapad was a shitshow i feel bad for stover or whoever the hell it was that wrote rots, tryna make sense of lucas' bs in the movies lol

😂

I completely agree.

Yea, thematically, having anakin take down mace would have made more sense than mace vs Sidious which was purely fan service tbh.

Not at all.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Yea, thematically, having anakin take down mace would have made more sense than mace vs Sidious which was purely fan service tbh.

I would have enjoyed Anakin besting Mace in a fight, then the Vader wank would soar ever higher.

Originally posted by carthage
Ulic is a weak link slightly, Team 2

Yeah, this

Originally posted by Trocity
This fight is no where near a stomp, what the hell? Kun couldn't stomp Baas, he isn't stomping guys who are head and shoulders above Baas.

Kun toyed with Baas, and ended the battle the moment he was bored of it. The only person who remotely came close to contending with Kun in sabers is a bonafide prodigy and master duelist Ulic. The two of them are way above others in their era by a solid margin.

Comparatively, Dooku is probably the best technical duelist in the prequel era, and the only true practitioner of Makashi. Mace Windu's duelling expertise relies heavily on plot bias and how generous the media, meaning he could arguably stalemate Kun or Ulic, or be completely defeated by either after a pitched battle. IIRC, Shatterpoint even notes that Mace's signature style relies heavily on a weakness being both easy to spot and easy to exploit. Otherwise, he would have walked through everyone in that novel, Depa included.

If we're talking peak-Sith Lord Ulic and Kun, amped with dark side relics, I think the PT crew might be at a disadvantage though. We're talking about modifying rage, which for dark side combatants is like catnip. I don't see Mace making a perfect maelstrom of Plot ****ery to overcome that. I certainly don't see Dooku doing so, given that he lacks the ability with his style to indefinitely deflect rage hammering and neither Ulic or Kun would be ignorant of his style.