Originally posted by Cogito
No need to be a dick here, they're close enough. I'd probably give a slight edge to Orion on average, but only slight.
More and more, I'm honestly thinking H1 doesn't read comics. Carter? I shall never let him forget when he set himself up about not reading comics. 😄 😆
And I can't really see them as close. Closer than the gap between Superman and Wonder Woman? Sure. But that's not saying a ton.
Originally posted by Surtur
So post crisis WW can move at a decent fraction of lightspeed while Orion is..not anywhere near as fast.If you took away her speed advantage and just made this a pure h2h fight things might go differently. Also why couldn't she just toss Orion into space? Unless he is being giving that..space thingy he rides, he can't fly on his own.
Orion has super speed. He rarely uses it, but he has it. His fight with Darkseid(who also rarely uses his super speed) was at super speed.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Heroes/Orion/Darkseid/ORION5
How fast is Darkseid? Well, one of the rare times he's used it, he moved so fast that Byrne era Superman didn't even see him move.
Originally posted by h1a8
WW has skill, fighting speed, lasso, bracers to deflect AF back at Orion. She wins the high majority.
Orion has skill too. He's literally a war god. We've seen him specifically just know things because of his war god status. That fight with Darkseid? Yeah, Darkseid shows to be pretty skilled himself, and Darkseid is much stronger than Orion, yet Orion used skill to compensate. And Orion is definitely the stronger of the two.
I already showed Orion's speed. Even taking the "I'm faster than you" into account, with what it actually said, I don't see Wonder Woman being so fast she could move too quickly for Byrne era Superman to see. Which Darkseid did. And Orion fought him at super speed.
Orion's Mother Box and Astro-Force more than compensate for Wonder Woman's gear. No, it's Orion who wins the high majority.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Orion has skill too. He's literally a war god. We've seen him specifically just know things because of his war god status. That fight with Darkseid? Yeah, Darkseid shows to be pretty skilled himself, and Darkseid is much stronger than Orion, yet Orion used skill to compensate. And Orion is definitely the stronger of the two.I already showed Orion's speed. Even taking the "I'm faster than you" into account, with what it actually said, I don't see Wonder Woman being so fast she could move too quickly for Byrne era Superman to see. Which Darkseid did. And Orion fought him at super speed.
Orion's Mother Box and Astro-Force more than compensate for Wonder Woman's gear. No, it's Orion who wins the high majority.
The Astro Force is useless, actually it's a disadvantage since it can be sent back to him.
WW is far more skilled than him.
WW lasso alone gives her the majority.
WW can move her limbs ftl. That's faster than Orion.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Would you kindly post evidence yourself before demanding it from others? I don't recall seeing you post a single scan.
I want to see how Orion beat WW.
The arguments I give are general and known by all. They don't need scans.
For example, WW can block the AF with her bracers and can send it back to him. WW can lasso him. WW can block multiple beams shot at her. Scans aren't needed. Now if I say something specific, like, WW has pressure pointed Superman before. Then if someone hasn't seen it then I should post scans of it since this is not general knowledge.
Originally posted by h1a8
I want to see how Orion beat WW.The arguments I give are general and known by all. They don't need scans.
For example, WW can block the AF with her bracers and can send it back to him. WW can lasso him. WW can block multiple beams shot at her. Scans aren't needed. Now if I say something specific, like, WW has pressure pointed Superman before. Then if someone hasn't seen it then I should post scans of it since this is not general knowledge.
He can beat her by knocking her the **** out hand-to-hand or with Astro-Force.
Your fanfic is well known. Scans to back it up have been unseen.
Concessions accepted.
Originally posted by Delta1938Somehow he hits her with the Astro Force although she has a near 100% blocking rate of energy beams?
He can beat her by knocking her the **** out hand-to-hand or with Astro-Force.Your fanfic is well known. Scans to back it up have been unseen.
Concessions accepted.
Scans to back what up? That she can block energy beams? That she can use the lasso? That she has great MA skills? These are general things everyone here knows.
Originally posted by h1a8
Somehow he hits her with the Astro Force although she has a near 100% blocking rate of energy beams?Scans to back what up? That she can block energy beams? That she can use the lasso? That she has great MA skills? These are general things everyone here knows.
She's not unhittable. I posted a bunch of examples in the Superman vs WW thread 'cuz you think she can't be hit(or damn near can never be).
To the level she beats him. He's an actual god of war and has used skill to compensate for beating Darkseid, despite Darkseid being much stronger than him and a skilled fighter himself. And Orion is stronger than her.
But I know how this will work. You'll disregard/ignore/mental gymnastic away all evidence shown to you and write-up your fanfic without backing your case. Or didn't notice these?
Originally posted by Delta1938And I can't really see them as close. Closer than the gap between Superman and Wonder Woman? Sure. But that's not saying a ton.
Orion has super speed. He rarely uses it, but he has it. His fight with Darkseid(who also rarely uses his super speed) was at super speed.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Heroes/Orion/Darkseid/ORION5
How fast is Darkseid? Well, one of the rare times he's used it, he moved so fast that Byrne era Superman didn't even see him move.
Your move. Something actually substantial, perhaps?
Originally posted by Pillow Biter
What's Orion's defense if WW uses her full speed consistently? Sure, Orion's fought Superman, but has he ever fought Superman when Superman used his speed consistently?Unless there is evidence showing Orion being able to deal with that kind of speed edge, then I have trouble seeing him winning.
I posted his fight with Darkseid at super speed(something both rarely do). I don't think Wonder Woman is as fast as I showed Darkseid to be.
Originally posted by Delta1938
She's not unhittable. I posted a bunch of examples in the Superman vs WW thread 'cuz you think she can't be hit(or damn near can never be).To the level she beats him. He's an actual god of war and has used skill to compensate for beating Darkseid, despite Darkseid being much stronger than him and a skilled fighter himself. And Orion is stronger than her.
But I know how this will work. You'll disregard/ignore/mental gymnastic away all evidence shown to you and write-up your fanfic without backing your case. Or didn't notice these?
Your move. Something actually substantial, perhaps?
I posted his fight with Darkseid at super speed(something both rarely do). I don't think Wonder Woman is as fast as I showed Darkseid to be.
She's unhittable when it comes to energy beams. She blocks basically 100% of them.
She moves her limbs (arms and hands) ftl. Thus she can move her arms far faster than they can move.
Originally posted by h1a8
She's unhittable when it comes to energy beams. She blocks basically 100% of them.She moves her limbs (arms and hands) ftl. Thus she can move her arms far faster than they can move.
😆 No she's not. And even when she does, doesn't always help her. Like against Amazo with Superman's heat vision.
Middle panel.
Abhi already showed that she basically is blocking where they aim. Also, I gave a better speed feat for Orion than you did. Because I actually gave one, not just threw around stuff without backing it up.
Originally posted by h1a8H1 is destroying delta.
I want to see how Orion beat WW.The arguments I give are general and known by all. They don't need scans.
For example, WW can block the AF with her bracers and can send it back to him. WW can lasso him. WW can block multiple beams shot at her. Scans aren't needed. Now if I say something specific, like, WW has pressure pointed Superman before. Then if someone hasn't seen it then I should post scans of it since this is not general knowledge.
Originally posted by Delta1938
😆 No she's not. And even when she does, doesn't always help her. Like against Amazo with Superman's heat vision.Middle panel.
Abhi already showed that she basically is blocking where they aim. Also, I gave a better speed feat for Orion than you did. Because I actually gave one, not just threw around stuff without backing it up.
She's blocking the hv in the scan.
I proved Abhilegend wrong. You can't aim block energy beams coming from someone's eyes. The only way to block is to wait until it is in the air and then block. One writer's opinion doesnt affect other writer's opinions.
She's has blocked a hail of bullets blindfolded. She even lassoed Zoom (who is faster than Orion).
Her strength compares to Orion's. She beat up on Hercules and bloodied him (who gave Superman a bloody nose). She beat up on Captain Nazi (who stalemated Black Adam to a double ko).
1. AF is not hitting her.
2. She has the lasso for an easy win.
3. She is incredibly skilled and can end the fight with less attacks by attacking sensitive areas.
4. She can send the AF back at Orion.
5. She can parry and counter a punch thrown by Orion with a devastating attack.
Her skill, strength, speed, reflexes, lasso, and bracelets combination give her the win.
