Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nah, I don't agree with that. I'm just saying, it doesn't have to. What is the best feat her shield has done?
She deflected the full might of Olympus that was said to have unlimited power. The bracers also shielded her body.
Shield herself from Ares Blast.
Deflects Silver Swan attack.
Withstands an attack from Nekron.
I'm sure this is enough to prove that the ASTRO Force gets deflected.
Originally posted by carver9
She deflected the full might of Olympus that was said to have unlimited power. The bracers also shielded her body.Shield herself from Ares Blast.
Deflects Silver Swan attack.
Withstands an attack from Nekron.
I'm sure this is enough to prove that the ASTRO Force gets deflected.
So, NONE of her shields? In every scan you posted, the bracers deflected and blocked and shielded, explicitly so in the Olympus scan. I was asking about a full body AoE blast.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So, NONE of her shields? In every scan you posted, the bracers deflected and blocked and shielded, explicitly so in the Olympus scan. I was asking about a full body AoE blast.
Something like that?
And her force field is talked about here.
Originally posted by iceman24567
Nobody is ignoring anything 😐
H1 is ignoring all evidence against him. [csm/vin[/csm]
Originally posted by h1a8
Why should I post scans on general knowledge? That's like asking you to post a scan of Superman lifting a car as proof to whether he can.WW has blocked multiple beams of energy (including hv). No scans are needed.
WW has lassoed multiple beings. No scans are needed.
WW has struck Superman and others in very sensitive areas. No scans are needed.
WW has displayed the ability to parry attacks and counter attack. No scans are needed.
Lastly, you can't equate one character's showing with any other showing. DS moving to fast for Superman to see has absolutely nothing to do with Orion fighting DS in a totally different comic and scene. Otherwise, I can say that Colossus tanked planet destroying punches from Gladiator or IM hits harder than someone who can shatter worlds without touching them.
Characters operate at different levels at different times. Bryne Era Superman was KOed by a gas station. Thus it's not hard to believe that his reflex ability was subpar at times and pretty good at other times. Superman has had no problem seeing DS move in other scenes (even seeing DD move in some scenes).Bottomline, Orion will not be moving faster than light in this fight. WW can block light speed attacks 100% of the time. WW has a lasso. WW can counter attack. Do the math.
Actual evidence, both for Orion and against Wonder Woman, has been posted. You just keep clinging to your fanfic. The burden of proof lies on you. You can't expect to be taken seriously when you blatantly ignore evidence and fail to provide any of your own. Put up or shut up.
Oh shut up ya ignoramus. You do this when it suits you, then go against it when it suits you. Orion and Darkseid have few appearances(relative to how long they'd been around) therefore your argument doesn't work. Bringing-up Superman in DOS is a red herring even if it weren't out of context. Plus the hypocrisy of you citing the rule then bringing this up.
Your options at this point are either A: back up your case instead of making unsubstantiated claims while crying you don't have to provide evidence then demanding others post evidence when you question it, or B: concede you don't actually read comics.
Originally posted by Surtur
Darkseid himself doesn't have super speed. He doesn't magically get granted high end speed because in one instance Superman couldn't keep up with him. If that was the ONLY appearance in Darkseids history then sure, use it.So, that was his only appearance, right? Dude showed up, showed FTL speeds, and never was seen again? Awesome.
ABC logic is not your friend, this isn't a dragonball Z fight.
Not only is this an incredibly stupid argument, but I actually showed two examples. I guess it's just that hard of finding Wonder Woman using offensive combat super speed. The delicious irony is you keep using that without providing even one example, while Orion having far fewer appearances means Orion is more likely to speed-blitz Wonder Woman than Wonder Woman speed-blitzing anybody.
Originally posted by Surtur
I mean it's pretty much time for people to decide if characters are going to use their speed or if they are not. Since it surely seems like some want to be able to cherry pick when it will or won't be used. It's silly. Make a decision.I mean if people want to say they don't I honestly have no problem as long as it applies to every character.
But then that sucks for Flash fans. Or is it just..if super speed is your only power, then you can use it? But damn though, for most Flashes super speed isn't their only power.
Considering that Flash actually uses his speed in every fight, this is either a dishonest strawman, or proof you don't understand the rules, how comics work, or both. Here for you and H1 proving you two are clueless on the actual rules. Edits only to highlight the parts you two fail to understand.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed. It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates.
CIS is still in play unless otherwise specified. I did not say CIS was off. Therefore the burden of proof is on the person arguing Wonder Woman speed-blitzing. And nobody has provided one single example of Wonder Woman using offensive combat super speed, let alone what I stated. Flash, on the other hand, can easily be shown to consistently use offensive combat super speed in, like, every ****ing fight that doesn't have extenuating circumstances. So, anybody who says, "Must suck for Flash" doesn't understand the rules, how comics work, or both. Unless they're just flat-out dishonest.
Originally posted by carver9
You do know that Orion is much slower than Wonder Woman.?
Prove it. Let's see those great combat speed examples I gave the criteria for fearful one.
Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah dude.. I was one of the people saying she blitzes him. She is hilariously faster than Orion.
Your lack of examples and either dishonest red herring or hilarious proof you don't understand comics/the rules/both shows it's really hard to find one example of Wonder Woman using speed the way I said.
Originally posted by h1a8
Naw. WW wins. Too fast, too skilled, hax lasso, hax bracelets, etc.
Prove it. Stop using "common knowledge" as a ****ing crutch, ya ignoramus!! 😠
Originally posted by Zack M
OE doesn't have any universal feats.
Originally posted by h1a8
neither does the AF
False. And don't demand proof until you provide evidence yourself. Once you've actually made an effort to back your case, I'll show you.
Lol I'm sorry but no, the feats you posted for Orion don't show him as faster than Wonder Woman. She has feats of moving at high speeds and showing high end reaction time.
Why bother showing you any feats when you already give yourself away? Just the way you phrase shit. You know damn well she has high end speed feats, but you seem to not understand this whole "we can extrapolate certain things based on feats". She can move her limbs at super speed, and react at such. Therefore, she can throw a punch at super speed.
That is why nobody is really bothering with it, its not hard to tell the excuses you would try to use to negate any feats given unless they showed WW doing DBZ style high speed attacks. It's the same tired tactic you and others use when it comes to super speed.
You even try to justify Darkseid having some level of impressive speed because he doesn't have a lot of appearances. Which would sure be a valid argument if he only appeared once or twice.
Originally posted by Surtur
Lol I'm sorry but no, the feats you posted for Orion don't show him as faster than Wonder Woman. She has feats of moving at high speeds and showing high end reaction time.Why bother showing you any feats when you already give yourself away? Just the way you phrase shit. You know damn well she has high end speed feats, but you seem to not understand this whole "we can extrapolate certain things based on feats". She can move her limbs at super speed, and react at such. Therefore, she can throw a punch at super speed.
So you still have nothing AND don't understand how the rules work? I never said "CIS off" so the burden of proof is on you.
Originally posted by Delta1938
So you still have nothing AND don't understand how the rules work? I never said "CIS off" so the burden of proof is on you.
But what I'm saying has nothing to do with CIS being off. What I'm saying is you seem to be one of those people who seem to feel we can't extrapolate a character can fight at super speed based on them being able to move and react at high speeds.
So am I wrong in that?
Originally posted by Surtur
But what I'm saying has nothing to do with CIS being off. What I'm saying is you seem to be one of those people who seem to feel we can't extrapolate a character can fight at super speed based on them being able to move and react at high speeds.So am I wrong in that?
So it's really that hard to give what I've cited? And love how you dance around the idiotic Flash comparison. Shows you're either dishonest, or don't understand how the rules/comics/both work.
Originally posted by Delta1938
So it's really that hard to give what I've cited?
So yes, you are that kind of person so what is the point?
And love how you dance around the idiotic Flash comparison. Shows you're either dishonest, or don't understand how the rules/comics/both work.
Lol there is nothing to dance around because it wasn't really worthy of response. Flash doesn't utilize his powers to the fullest extent in every fight. You danced around that by saying he uses some level of speed in every fight. Yet he gets tagged loads of times by people with no real speed at all.
So I'm not sure what I'm dishonest about. I never said Flash doesn't use his speed. When it comes to people whose main power is speed, their problem tends to be from just not going all out and allowing far slower beings to tag you. When it comes to characters with variety of powers with them they usually just forget they have it all together.
Originally posted by Surtur
So yes, you are that kind of person so what is the point?Lol there is nothing to dance around because it wasn't really worthy of response. Flash doesn't utilize his powers to the fullest extent in every feat. You danced around that by saying he uses some level of speed in every fight.
So you don't have even one example when she has about 5 times as many appearances. Gotcha.
Let's see what you said.
Originally posted by Surtur
I mean it's pretty much time for people to decide if characters are going to use their speed or if they are not. Since it surely seems like some want to be able to cherry pick when it will or won't be used. It's silly. Make a decision.I mean if people want to say they don't I honestly have no problem as long as it applies to every character.
But then that sucks for Flash fans. Or is it just..if super speed is your only power, then you can use it? But damn though, for most Flashes super speed isn't their only power.
Yeah, Superman does speed-blitz, but not every fight, like you have a tendency to argue. Bringing-up Flash as a comparison, since he actually does fight at super speed as a standard, shows either you were being blatantly dishonest, or don't understand comics/the rules/both.
Didn't see your edit until after I posted. Doesn't really change anything, though. If anything it just shows more your inability to understand how comics work.
But Flash routinely fails to use all his speed in his fights. So what was dishonest? Superman doesn't blitz due to PIS. It's the same with Flash. He doesn't always blitz due to PIS. He doesn't always come at you at the speed of light. So yes, he fails to use his speed just as much as the others.
Also I ask again: are you one of those people who feel we can't extrapolate from feats? If you are then what would be the point of providing you with any of her feats?
Originally posted by carver9
Something like that?
And her force field is talked about here.
That's it? This is pretty much the only scan you have shown to support the idea that WW's FF can stand up to the Astro-Force from a bloodlusted (i.e. normal, lol) Orion. The only one. Deary me.
Originally posted by Surtur
But Flash routinely fails to use all his speed in his fights. So what was dishonest? Superman doesn't blitz due to PIS. It's the same with Flash. He doesn't always blitz due to PIS. He doesn't always come at you at the speed of light. So yes, he fails to use his speed just as much as the others.Also I ask again: are you one of those people who feel we can't extrapolate from feats? If you are then what would be the point of providing you with any of her feats?
The fact that you said Superman doesn't always blitz due to "PIS" shows you're either lying, or don't understand comics. He doesn't always blitz because of CIS, not PIS.
I agree that in the comics, Orion edges it. I've said as much.
But I was led to believe that we don't rate fights that way here. I get the feeling that most of the people saying that Orion wins are going more by the comics than they are strictly by the board rules.
If you are arguing Orion's side, by the board rules, it should all come down to proving that (a) Orion's speed will let him get in at least one action before Diana blitzes the crap out of him and (b) that action will be an overwhelming use of the Astro Force that even Diana can't block with her bracers.
This chain of logic may be provable--the AF has some crazy feats. But if you are following the board rules, I feel your argument really needs to follow along the above lines fairly strictly.
Originally posted by Delta1938
The fact that you said Superman doesn't always blitz due to "PIS" shows you're either lying, or don't understand comics. He doesn't always blitz because of [b]CIS, not PIS. [/B]
You say the silliest things sometimes. In my opinion it's PIS. There is no "lying" here because this isn't all set in stone so I don't even know what you are talking about. I'm lying to you about what..my opinion?
He doesn't always blitz because of PIS in my view. It's not in character for Superman to want to prolong a fight, giving ample opportunity for more destruction to be caused. Why wouldn't Superman want to end a fight as quickly and neatly as possible? He doesn't need to murder you to disable you with his speed.