Deadshot vs. Captain America

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. No proof of DS shooting such small and fast moving targets as running feet
2. You only need to tilt your torso forward, not your entire body. If you can find something the size of Cap's shield you can try it.

1. DS hit every moving single target he shot at. And it was a lot.
2. We should definitely suspend belief and assume that DS can hit moving objects traveling under 60mph (any decent real sniper can do).
3. Caps knees on down will not be covered. They will not be moving laterally to DS but forward mostly. DS blows a knee cap off instantly.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. DS hit every moving single target he shot at. And it was a lot.
2. We should definitely suspend belief and assume that DS can hit moving objects traveling under 60mph (any decent real sniper can do).
3. Caps knees on down will not be covered. They will not be moving laterally to DS but forward mostly. DS blows a knee cap off instantly.

1. And none of them were fast moving targets.
2. Why should we make that assumption? DS isn't setup as a sniper in this scenario. He doesn't get prep (which any real sniper would have) and he doesn't have a sniping rifle.
3. Because Cap is just going to run straight for DS right?

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. And none of them were fast moving targets.
2. Why should we make that assumption? DS isn't setup as a sniper in this scenario. He doesn't get prep (which any real sniper would have) and he doesn't have a sniping rifle.
3. Because Cap is just going to run straight for DS right?

1. Cap won't be moving much faster.
2. Because he has a magical power that is able to hit whatever he shoots at. He can shoot better than a sniper with a simple handgun. It would be pretty dumb to shoot like he does and not be able to hit a target traveling under 60 mph. Especially one that's traveling forward TOWARDS YOU.
3. If he doesn't then where is he going to run? Sideways?

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Cap won't be moving much faster.
2. Because he has a magical power that is able to hit whatever he shoots at. He can shoot better than a sniper with a simple handgun. It would be pretty dumb to shoot like he does and not be able to hit a target traveling under 60 mph. Especially one that's traveling forward TOWARDS YOU.
3. If he doesn't then where is he going to run? Sideways?

1. Name a scene in SS where DS shot someone moving near as fast as Cap
2. DS has magical powers now? GTFO. If that's the case then Cap also has the power to either block every shot coming his way or never get hit in any critical area.
3. Strafing, zig zag manuevers, acrobatics... you know, stuff that any person with a bit of common sense would probably do when under fire.

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. Name a scene in SS where DS shot someone moving near as fast as Cap
2. DS has magical powers now? GTFO. If that's the case then Cap also has the power to either block every shot coming his way or never get hit in any critical area.
3. Strafing, zig zag manuevers, acrobatics... you know, stuff that any person with a bit of common sense would probably do when under fire.

1. That's irrelevant. Cap doesn't move much faster than an athletic human. At top running speed I give him between 30-50mph. Within the first second, Cap should obtain less than 15mph.
Comic Cap is different. What's the fastest speed Cap obtained in the movies the first second from rest? In one second, Cap never shown he can even reach 15mph after before the first second of travel.

2. His ability is equivalent to magic since it's impossible to do what he can do in the real world. Every gun is different and isn't calibrated 100% the same. Wind changes constantly. Bullets are not 100% the same. Etc. Yet he is able to shoot every bullet in the same hole.

3. To zigzag Cap will have to slow down and stop before changing directions. He would be traveling at super slow speeds for a significant amount of time when changing directions. Also, as I have said it takes time for Cap to build up speed from a standstill (or after changing direction).

Originally posted by h1a8
1. That's irrelevant. Cap doesn't move much faster than an athletic human. At top running speed I give him between 30-50mph. Within the first second, Cap should obtain less than 15mph.
Comic Cap is different. What's the fastest speed Cap obtained in the movies the first second from rest? In one second, Cap never shown he can even reach 15mph after before the first second of travel.

2. His ability is equivalent to magic since it's impossible to do what he can do in the real world. Every gun is different and isn't calibrated 100% the same. Wind changes constantly. Bullets are not 100% the same. Etc. Yet he is able to shoot every bullet in the same hole.

3. To zigzag Cap will have to slow down and stop before changing directions. He would be traveling at super slow speeds for a significant amount of time when changing directions. Also, as I have said it takes time for Cap to build up speed from a standstill (or after changing direction).

1. Name me a scene where DS shoots a target moving at speeds that an athletic human runs.

2. So you're explanation on how DS wins this fight is that he's magical. Gotcha. Of course, you think DS is magical but Cap isn't. Double gotcha.

3. You realize that 50m isn't that long a distance right? Also, please watch TWS to see just how fast Cap moves.

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. Name me a scene where DS shoots a target moving at speeds that an athletic human runs.

2. So you're explanation on how DS wins this fight is that he's magical. Gotcha. Of course, you think DS is magical but Cap isn't. Double gotcha.

3. You realize that 50m isn't that long a distance right? Also, please watch TWS to see just how fast Cap moves.

1. Don't have to. He can do it easily.
2. Equivalent to magical since he doesn't miss.
3. 50m is a long distance from a standstill. The moment the bell rings Cap wouldn't generate even 10mph. I saw the movie plenty of times. Nowhere did Cap obtain speeds higher than 10mph before the first second. If you disagree then refer me to a scene where he did.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Don't have to. He can do it easily.
2. Equivalent to magical since he doesn't miss.
3. 50m is a long distance from a standstill. The moment the bell rings Cap wouldn't generate even 10mph. I saw the movie plenty of times. Nowhere did Cap obtain speeds higher than 10mph before the first second. If you disagree then refer me to a scene where he did.

1. So you're giving DS abilities that are not supported by feats. No limits fallacy much?

2. Well if you want to play that game... Cap wins this because his magic power is that he never dies from a gunshot

3. Fastest records put 50m run at 5.5 seconds. Cap is quite a ways above a top athlete so he can probably cover that in about seconds. Now using your logic for your point #1, I don't have to prove that Cap can cover that distance within 2 seconds because he can do it easily (see how stupid your reasoning is?).

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. So you're giving DS abilities that are not supported by feats. No limits fallacy much?

2. Well if you want to play that game... Cap wins this because his magic power is that he never dies from a gunshot

3. Fastest records put 50m run at 5.5 seconds. Cap is quite a ways above a top athlete so he can probably cover that in about seconds. Now using your logic for your point #1, I don't have to prove that Cap can cover that distance within 2 seconds because he can do it easily (see how stupid your reasoning is?).

1. Actually the opposite. His ability gives him access to other things. It's assumed he can do (shoot) what normal trained humans can do but better (not worse).

2. Lol, sure. DS doesn't miss. He's 100% accurate (not even a mm off). This is impossible to do. With that type of ability he kills anything that can be killed with a gun.

3. Those creatures were actually moving faster than normal humans. They were aim dodging a hail of machine gun fire and leaping over cars, etc. DS didn't start shooting until after they built up full speed. Cap won't be able to generate even 10 mph within the first second after the bell. It takes time to accelerate from a standstill. If cap was already at full speed before DS started firing then he still gets hit easily. If cap runs foward then speed is irrelevant as its a still target. If cap zigzags then he must slowdown to 0 laterally velocity when he changes directions. Movie cap isn't that fast.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Actually the opposite. His ability gives him access to other things. It's assumed he can do (shoot) what normal trained humans can do but better (not worse).

2. Lol, sure. DS doesn't miss. He's 100% accurate (not even a mm off). This is impossible to do. With that type of ability he kills anything that can be killed with a gun.

3. Those creatures were actually moving faster than normal humans. They were aim dodging a hail of machine gun fire and leaping over cars, etc. DS didn't start shooting until after they built up full speed. Cap won't be able to generate even 10 mph within the first second after the bell. It takes time to accelerate from a standstill. If cap was already at full speed before DS started firing then he still gets hit easily. If cap runs foward then speed is irrelevant as its a still target. If cap zigzags then he must slowdown to 0 laterally velocity when he changes directions. Movie cap isn't that fast.

1. Normal trained humans don't have 100% accuracy when shooting at 100m, especially not at a moving target that's firing back at them. DS doesn't have any feats to prove that he can do so either. So you giving him this ability like it's a fact without no feats to back it up is a no limits fallacy. I might as well say that no bullets can kill Cap because he was never seriously injured by getting shot.

2. Like I said, if you're going with the whole DS never misses regardless of what his opponent does (which was already proved false during his fight with Batman) then I could just as well say that Cap can't be killed with bullets since he was never seriously injured by guns.

3. Don't think you know what aim dodging is. Jumping over cars to get across to your opponents isn't aim dodging. The fact that those things even wanted to close the distance to melee range when they had the numbers and had firearms shows you how little they were concerned about getting hit.

DS is an incredible marksman (almost unreal) but he didn't seem that fast on the draw. I've seen faster movie feats. Cap has a lot of experience fighting people with guns, like a lot. He's shown that he's more than capable to block and stay mobile. DS can definitely get a leg/foot shot in but that isn't enough to put him down. He's tanked a lot more than just bullets. Cap isn't gonna let vital areas get hit. DS has a chance to win but more often than not, Cap will defeat DS.

Originally posted by HellRider
DS is an incredible marksman (almost unreal) but he didn't seem that fast on the draw. I've seen faster movie feats. Cap has a lot of experience fighting people with guns, like a lot. He's shown that he's more than capable to block and stay mobile. DS can definitely get a leg/foot shot in but that isn't enough to put him down. He's tanked a lot more than just bullets. Cap isn't gonna let vital areas get hit. DS has a chance to win but more often than not, Cap will defeat DS.

He shoot cap in the foot or leg then it's over. DS can point and shoot in 0.3 or less of a second. When he was shooting zombies he shot to the right and in. 3 of a second move the gun left about 2-3 feet and shot again.
He was zigzaging the zombies very quickly.
Cap isn't very fast. He can move very far in 1 second. He can't do much in 1 second. This is a stomp.

LMMFAO @Cap not being very fast

hahahahahahhahha

Cap wins. 50 meters is too short. Once captain manages to get close Dead shot loses. And he can and will easily. Cap shield is can cover most of dead shot's bullets. Should dead shoot still manage to hit him, cap is fine. Captain America's suit is bullet and fire proof if in case you didn't know. Still! Should he get a scratch (hit). Cap got super healing. Deadshot is Dead!

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
LMMFAO @Cap not being very fast

hahahahahahhahha

He's not. How far do you think movie Cap can travel in THE FIRST HALF of a second FROM REST?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Cap wins. 50 meters is too short. Once captain manages to get close Dead shot loses. And he can and will easily. Cap shield is can cover most of dead shot's bullets. Should dead shoot still manage to hit him, cap is fine. Captain America's suit is bullet and fire proof if in case you didn't know. Still! Should he get a scratch (hit). Cap got super healing. Deadshot is Dead!

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap will not get close. He will be shot right after the bell rings. Instantly! Cap's shield can't cover his legs or feet. Caps legs and feet aren't bulletproof, only his torso. And hitting the same dent over and over will make a bullets penetrate through bulletproof material (as shown in the movie).

Yeah sure, because DS has so many feats shooting legs off targets that move as fast and as agile as Cap and carry a shield.

I mean, what are you basing this off of? DS never made the kind of shot you're describing. Are you giving DS no limits fallacy?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah sure, because DS has so many feats shooting legs off targets that move as fast and as agile as Cap and carry a shield.

I mean, what are you basing this off of? DS never made the kind of shot you're describing. Are you giving DS no limits fallacy?

Do you like how h1 claims that Cap, whose casual jog is faster than the current fastest person on the planet "isn't that fast"?

Originally posted by h1a8
He's not. How far do you think movie Cap can travel in THE FIRST HALF of a second FROM REST?

very fast.. do you even know what a movie is??? did you even watch the movies? first film saw him run fast chasing the hydra agent seconds after emerging from the chamber after receiving the SuperSoldier formula, then we see Cap dive and swim into the ocean w/o the benefit of an oxygen tank and punch through the mini sub the hydra agent had....Winter Soldier shows us the opening where Steve tells Sam "On your left" as he keeps on running past him.. minutes later we see Cap on the boat running fast throwing his shield and taking out the bad guys...

You see WE HAVE ACTUAL FEATS OF CAPS SPEED.. We have been shown Cap putting up his shield so nothing touches him...

but please continue to be in denial of these facts

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah sure, because DS has so many feats shooting legs off targets that move as fast and as agile as Cap and carry a shield.

I mean, what are you basing this off of? DS never made the kind of shot you're describing. Are you giving DS no limits fallacy?

Maybe we should give Cap feats he wasn't shown using as well

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap will not get close. He will be shot right after the bell rings. Instantly! Cap's shield can't cover his legs or feet. Caps legs and feet aren't bulletproof, only his torso. And hitting the same dent over and over will make a bullets penetrate through bulletproof material (as shown in the movie).

Dead shot will have to shoot at moving feet buddie. I doubt he hits. He is running, he will barely have chance to see them. Still should he hit. Cap got regeneration, and his suit is bullet proof if am not mistaken. Am sure cap will be able to get close yo deadshot, he is dead then.