Deadshot vs. Captain America

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah sure, because DS has so many feats shooting legs off targets that move as fast and as agile as Cap and carry a shield.

I mean, what are you basing this off of? DS never made the kind of shot you're describing. Are you giving DS no limits fallacy?

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Dead shot will have to shoot at moving feet buddie. I doubt he hits. He is running, he will barely have chance to see them. Still should he hit. Cap got regeneration, and his suit is bullet proof if am not mistaken. Am sure cap will be able to get close yo deadshot, he is dead then.

Cap's feet will not be moving fast the first second. He needs a few seconds to gain enough speed to be faster than a human.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
very fast.. do you even know what a movie is??? did you even watch the movies? first film saw him run fast chasing the hydra agent seconds after emerging from the chamber after receiving the SuperSoldier formula, then we see Cap dive and swim into the ocean w/o the benefit of an oxygen tank and punch through the mini sub the hydra agent had....Winter Soldier shows us the opening where Steve tells Sam "On your left" as he keeps on running past him.. minutes later we see Cap on the boat running fast throwing his shield and taking out the bad guys...

You see [b]WE HAVE ACTUAL FEATS OF CAPS SPEED.. We have been shown Cap putting up his shield so nothing touches him...

but please continue to be in denial of these facts

Maybe we should give Cap feats he wasn't shown using as well [/B]

Yet cap still isn't very fast. I saw all the movies. DS could easily hit him instantly. Even if cap can reach 50mph then this is still very slow.

My argument is that Cap will not get past 10mph before the first second after the bell. DS will shoot him the first second after the bell (before he gains speed).

Originally posted by Silent Master
Do you like how h1 claims that Cap, whose casual jog is faster than the current fastest person on the planet "isn't that fast"?

Even if DS gets off the first shot, it's more likely that Cap will block it with his shield. by the time DS gets the idea to shoot at Cap's feet, he'll already he at full speed.

This fight isn't nearly as one-sided as you think it is.

Originally posted by h1a8
movie cap can't move his legs very fast from a dead start. This is because he has no feats of doing so. You can't use comic caps feats. Movie cap starts at the speed of a normal human (within the first second after the bell).

Guess you missed that part in the first Cap movie where he ran after a car. Or in Civil War where he dropped off a bridge and started running and keeping up with cars. Or in Winter Soldier where Cap can jump pretty high distances easily. That kind of leg power means he can propel himself forward pretty fast.

I just provided a whole bunch of feats. So could you now show me feats of DS shooting fast moving targets that are actively trying to block or dodge his gunfire? Or even better, how bout a feat of DS shooting someone's feet? Because I sure can give you multiple feats of Cap blocking gunfire.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Guess you missed that part in the first Cap movie where he ran after a car. Or in Civil War where he dropped off a bridge and started running and keeping up with cars. Or in Winter Soldier where Cap can jump pretty high distances easily. That kind of leg power means he can propel himself forward pretty fast.

I just provided a whole bunch of feats. So could you now show me feats of DS shooting fast moving targets that are actively trying to block or dodge his gunfire? Or even better, how bout a feat of DS shooting someone's feet? Because I sure can give you multiple feats of Cap blocking gunfire.

You basically ignored the fact I said speed before the first second elaspes. You gave irrelevant feats of cap already achieving full speed (which took longer than a second).
No thing can go from 0 to 50mph instantly. It takes time. Time to bend the knees (acceleration of gravity), time to push off, etc. But Silent gave a stronger argument.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Even if DS gets off the first shot, it's more likely that Cap will block it with his shield. by the time DS gets the idea to shoot at Cap's feet, he'll already he at full speed.

This fight isn't nearly as one-sided as you think it is.

Originally posted by h1a8
You basically ignored the fact I said speed before the first second elaspes. You gave irrelevant feats of cap already achieving full speed (which took longer than a second).
No thing can go from 0 to 50mph instantly. It takes time. Time to bend the knees (acceleration of gravity), time to push off, etc. But Silent gave a stronger argument.

Good analysis. What if DS get off multiple shots instantly? Cap doesn't have the reflexes to react to bullets in the air (not movie Cap). Maybe he does aim for Cap's head at first and Cap just gets the shield up in time. Then instantly chooses areas not covered by the shield. It's not one sided as I thought. Cap does have a chance.

Why do you go for top speed? Why 50 mph? You're talking about foot speed right? Martial artists can deploy kicks with velocities as fast as 200 km/h. Cap isn't kicking here (yet) but I'm pretty sure his legs will be moving far faster than 50 mph. He doesn't need to actually be traveling at 50 mph for his legs to be moving that fast.

And in the end, Cap has multiple feats of blocking multiple gunfire. DS has ZERO feats of shooting fast moving feet.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Why do you go for top speed? Why 50 mph? You're talking about foot speed right? Martial artists can deploy kicks with velocities as fast as 200 km/h. Cap isn't kicking here (yet) but I'm pretty sure his legs will be moving far faster than 50 mph. He doesn't need to actually be traveling at 50 mph for his legs to be moving that fast.

And in the end, Cap has multiple feats of blocking multiple gunfire. DS has ZERO feats of shooting fast moving feet.

yea he needs to go rewatch the movies...

Originally posted by h1a8
You basically ignored the fact I said speed before the first second elaspes. You gave irrelevant feats of cap already achieving full speed (which took longer than a second).
No thing can go from 0 to 50mph instantly. It takes time. Time to bend the knees (acceleration of gravity), time to push off, etc. But Silent gave a stronger argument.

Good analysis. What if DS get off multiple shots instantly? Cap doesn't have the reflexes to react to bullets in the air (not movie Cap). Maybe he does aim for Cap's head at first and Cap just gets the shield up in time. Then instantly chooses areas not covered by the shield. It's not one sided as I thought. Cap does have a chance.

They don't know each other. The first thing DS will do is take out the gun. Once Cap notices this, he will draw his shield. DSo doesn't know the shield is Bullet proof, I guess he will try a few shots to the shield. When he finally realizes he has to change target, cap will already be running. DS dies.

Even if DS fires several shots at once the shield is big enough to block them, it's not like DS is going to start the fight shooting at both Cap's head and feet.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Even if DS fires several shots at once the shield is big enough to block them, it's not like DS is going to start the fight shooting at both Cap's head and feet.

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Originally posted by FrothByte
Why do you go for top speed? Why 50 mph? You're talking about foot speed right? Martial artists can deploy kicks with velocities as fast as 200 km/h. Cap isn't kicking here (yet) but I'm pretty sure his legs will be moving far faster than 50 mph. He doesn't need to actually be traveling at 50 mph for his legs to be moving that fast.

And in the end, Cap has multiple feats of blocking multiple gunfire. DS has ZERO feats of shooting fast moving feet.

Starting from rest, Cap has to bend at the knee and push off the ground to propel himself forward. I'm referring to the instant right after the bell. Cap will be moving slowly. Provide a clip or refer to a scene where Cap moves his legs very fast before the first second elapses.

Also, the knees and waist will be exposed, making the argument of fast moving feet moot.

I just looked at scenes from winter soldier and civil war. As Cap is running his entire waist and below is exposed. The shield barely covers his head and chest.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Even if DS fires several shots at once the shield is big enough to block them, it's not like DS is going to start the fight shooting at both Cap's head and feet.

Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
They don't know each other. The first thing DS will do is take out the gun. Once Cap notices this, he will draw his shield. DSo doesn't know the shield is Bullet proof, I guess he will try a few shots to the shield. When he finally realizes he has to change target, cap will already be running. DS dies.

Provide clips of DS draw shooting a fast moving target's feet (unlike a moving target's head/body, feet are in constant motion) within 2-3 seconds. Or any showing that would indicate that he is capable of such.

Cap has aim blocked WS when they fought as WS was attemlting to shoot his other limbs to bypass his shield by shooting at his legs.

What point are you trying to make with that comment?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Provide clips of DS draw shooting a fast moving target's feet (unlike a moving target's head/body, feet are in constant motion) within 2-3 seconds. Or any showing that would indicate that he is capable of such.

Cap has aim blocked WS when they fought as WS was attemlting to shoot his other limbs to bypass his shield by shooting at his legs.

Cap's entire waistline and below will be exposed (part of his belly too). The shield barely covers the head and chest.

Cap can't aim block if he cannot see the aim. Also, DS can target and fire in less than 0.3 of a second.

Originally posted by h1a8
Cap's entire waistline and below will be exposed (part of his belly too). The shield barely covers the head and chest.

Cap can't aim block if he cannot see the aim. Also, DS can target and fire in less than 0.3 of a second.

Post clips of this 0.3 second draw and shoot? And WS was weaving his shots (going as far as spinning to make it hard for Cap to see where the pistol will be coming from) as he aimed for Cap's legs. Still blocked.

And why wouldn't he be able to see it? 50 meters isn't that far. And the shield cover his whole upper body if he packs himself in it and angles it right. Pls watch his highway fight with WS and the helicarrier fight for the aim blocking.

When has Deadshot ever aimed for 2 different places on a single target?

Originally posted by h1a8
Starting from rest, Cap has to bend at the knee and push off the ground to propel himself forward. I'm referring to the instant right after the bell. Cap will be moving slowly. Provide a clip or refer to a scene where Cap moves his legs very fast before the first second elapses.

Also, the knees and waist will be exposed, making the argument of fast moving feet moot.

I just looked at scenes from winter soldier and civil war. As Cap is running his entire waist and below is exposed. The shield barely covers his head and chest.

actually Cap's entire waistline and below will be exposed. I just looked at a few scenes from winter soldier and civil war.

it is understood that all shields are bulletproof. Forum rules state that each character has basic general knowledge of their opponent. That means he knows what Cap can do and his shield.

At the start of the bell, DS needs to reach down and draw his gun before he is able to point it at Cap and shoot. By that time Cap would already have been moving. Or did you think that DS starts this match with gun already aimed?

Also the way how shields work in terms of line of sight and also bullet trajectory, Cap can easily cover himself to his knees given proper angle. You need to try it to understand it.

I don't need to prove that Cap can move his feet at 50mph because regular humans can move their feet far faster than that. Also, why do you have this fixation about 50mph?

I'm still waiting for you to show feats of DS shooting fast moving targets in their feet (or even just their legs)

maybe i was asleep but Deadshot never ever shot at people's feet/legs....

Originally posted by h1a8
2. His ability is equivalent to magic since it's impossible to do what he can do in the real world.

By this logic Batman is magic. Peak human means something different in fiction than it does in real life. People who are supposed to be insanely skilled but still human..do things that no amount of mere skill would allow.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Post clips of this 0.3 second draw and shoot? And WS was weaving his shots (going as far as spinning to make it hard for Cap to see where the pistol will be coming from) as he aimed for Cap's legs. Still blocked.

And why wouldn't he be able to see it? 50 meters isn't that far. And the shield cover his whole upper body if he packs himself in it and angles it right. Pls watch his highway fight with WS and the helicarrier fight for the aim blocking.

I just watched the scene you are referring to. They were up close (3ft apart). Each shot was like a punch attack. It takes deliberate and significant movement of the hands to aim for the legs from that close. From 50m away an inch difference in aim is the difference between a head shot and a leg shot. If DS can move a gun left to right (about 3ft) in less than 0.3 sec then he move it an inch even quicker.