Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The fact he doesn't correct him doesn't make the point null. Revan and him still resisted the Emperor. Scourge would just be nitpicking unnecessarily.
It'd be pretty silly of the HoT to make such a claim blindly. Scourge concedes to the point, too. I think the authorial intent there is clear, and the argument for the Exile is also stronger than it is against her.
Also, these weren't the quote(s) I was looking for regarding our Traya debate (I was looking for one relating to Korriban, but I forgot which source), but:
"You had no idea of the power within this place! Its very walls are alive with dark side energies! And now, my old master, I will let the Star Forge itself destroy you!"
-- Knights of the Old Republic
"Never have I been to a place so alive with the Force, yet so dead to it."
-- Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
"Alive with" clearly refers to being strong in the Force here.
Not sure what else you expected "alive with the dark side" to mean, if not something synonymous with strength in the dark side. It obviously doesn't refer to how much of the Entity is comprised of the dark side, since the Wrath had seen Force spirits/entities just two planets prior.
Originally posted by SunRazer
It'd be pretty silly of the HoT to make such a claim blindly. Scourge concedes to the point, too. I think the authorial intent there is clear, and the argument for the Exile is also stronger than it is against her.
Also, these weren't the quote(s) I was looking for regarding our Traya debate (I was looking for one relating to Korriban, but I forgot which source), but:"You had no idea of the power within this place! Its very walls are alive with dark side energies! And now, my old master, I will let the Star Forge itself destroy you!"
-- Knights of the Old Republic
"Never have I been to a place so alive with the Force, yet so dead to it."
-- Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
"Alive with" clearly refers to being strong in the Force here.
Not sure what else you expected "alive with the dark side" to mean, if not something synonymous with strength in the dark side. It obviously doesn't refer to how much of the Entity is comprised of the dark side, since the Wrath had seen Force spirits/entities just two planets prior.
I rejected the claim that it can be quantified in a comparison from an actual flesh-and-bone person to a living entity that is literally made up of pure, raw energy.
I personally have Darth Traya above Darth Baras, but I think this quote is completely the wrong way to reach said conclusion.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No. Like AP pointed out, the Exile directly confronted the Emperor and managed to keep her sanity (albeit she ended up dying). That's apparently an unprecedented act. However, the novel clarifies how this was accomplished. Revan took on the Emperor while the Exile was fighting others. One can argue that the Exile resisted the Emperor's corrupting *presence*, for it was stated that any Jedi within such is corrupted, but that's not new news. He never assaulted the Exile with telepathy.
Didn't you read what I said last page? I'm not saying Vitiate attacked her with TP. That's not what "resist" means in the context of the conversation. It means that she was able to stand up to Vitiate without being instantly cast down like the vast majority of challengers. Also, the fact that Vitiate took the time to gauge her instead of simply dismissing her in the Force could be interpreted the same way.
I never denied "alive with the dark side" has to do with dark side energies.
Well, the first quote makes it synonymous with power.
I rejected the claim that it can be quantified in a comparison from an actual flesh-and-bone person to a living entity that is literally made up of pure, raw energy.
So your definition of "more alive in the dark side" than anybody else means that you think that the Wrath had never met a being comprised of literally pure, raw DS energy? How about Sel-Makor and Vitiate on Voss?
I personally have Darth Traya above Darth Baras
As you should.
but I think this quote is completely the wrong way to reach said conclusion.
Well, there's more than one way to go about it 🙂