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Aside from what operator has already mentioned, Cho also said that the multiverse had been saved in the wake of CK's defeat:
http://i.imgur.com/cNuQsE4.jpg
Oblivion's dialogue pertaining to CK also corroborates the fact that he came "very close" to destroying the multiverse:
http://i.imgur.com/LKpj00Z.jpg
Originally posted by -K-M-
Technically 616 is a multiverse with all its seperate dimensions and what have you. Chaos war was very inconsistent
But the actual term "multiverse" has never been used to describe 616 and its associated dimensions/realms. It always refers to the infinity of universes which comprise mainstream Marvel.
The dialogue in the Oblivion supports this as well.
I don't put much stock in the oblivion scene to be honest. A aspect of him was close to destroying the multiverse? So he should be omniversal and above and he just isn't at that level
Actually look at the recent secret wars they have been flip flopping between their terms.
I'm sure the intention was he was multiversal just conveyed very poorly
Originally posted by -K-M-
I don't put much stock in the oblivion scene to be honest. A aspect of him was close to destroying the multiverse? So he should be omniversal and above and he just isn't at that level
So, yeah. Oblivion could have been talking out his @$$.
Originally posted by -K-M-
I don't put much stock in the oblivion scene to be honest. A aspect of him was close to destroying the multiverse? So he should be omniversal and above and he just isn't at that level
CK didn't start at multiversal levels.
Originally posted by -K-M-
Actually look at the recent secret wars they have been flip flopping between their terms
They've been flip flopping between the terms multiverse and omniverse which is perfectly understandable because both of the terms could be defined as being the equivalent of "infinite universe" and dates back to before SW.
This however doesn't change the fact that the term "multiverse" has a consistent meaning of referring to a multitude of realities with a numerical designation (I think this is the thing you're missing here), as opposed to a single designated universe along with its associated dimensions.
Originally posted by -K-M-
I'm sure the intention was he was multiversal just conveyed very poorly
That I agree with.
I'm aware he didn't. But at the end he was and that was what oblivion was referring too. It doesn't make much sense powerwise
I'm aware. More just referring to consistentcy in comics. But yes I have seen the different dimensions refered yo as a universe. So as I said 616 universe is technically a multiverse. Also as I mentioned above I'm sure CK was portrayed as multiversal just portrayed very poorly. Until the Thor scene I thought the argument he was just universal was warranted
Originally posted by Galan007
Oblivion stated that CK FAILED because he was just one aspect of his totality. To me, this statement only implies that Oblivion himself could have succeeded where CK failed.
Oblivion is full of sh|t.
Originally posted by -K-M-
I'm aware he didn't. But at the end he was and that was what oblivion was referring too. It doesn't make much sense powerwise
The image he conjured was of Mikaboshi, not CK.
Originally posted by -K-M-I'm aware. More just referring to consistentcy in comics. But yes I have seen the different dimensions refered yo as a universe. So as I said 616 universe is technically a multiverse. Also as I mentioned above I'm sure CK was portrayed as multiversal just portrayed very poorly. Until the Thor scene I thought the argument he was just universal was warranted
I don't think you understood my post. I'm not referring to universe and multiverse used interchangeably. I'm talking about numerical designations. Marvel's "multiverse" consists of all the realities with a numerical designation (Earth-616, Earth-1610, etc...) That's what comprises the multiverse. That's why you'll never find an instance where the term "multiverse" is used to describe a designated universe + its associated realms.
Originally posted by -K-M-In all fairness, when has he ever tried to do more?
"Just one aspect of the infinity that I am" that strongly implies he is above and more powerful. What has he done to warrant that claim?
And CK started out as a comparatively low-level being(ie. Mikaboshi.) THAT is the 'one aspect' of himself that Oblivion was referencing... Especially since a pic of Mikaboshi was shown in unison with the statement.
Originally posted by operator616
The image he conjured was of Mikaboshi, not CK.I don't think you understood my post. I'm not referring to universe and multiverse used interchangeably. I'm talking about numerical designations. Marvel's "multiverse" consists of all the realities with a numerical designation (Earth-616, Earth-1610, etc...) That's what comprises the multiverse. That's why you'll never find an instance where the term "multiverse" is used to describe a designated universe + its associated realms.
Read the text they refer to the "chaos king" destroying the universes. The pic is not important. Mika didn't destroys all those universes CK did
I'm aware. I don't think you get what I'm saying. There are several universes connected to the 616. That technically would make it a multiverse, but not saying that's what it was due to the actual term for multiverse. In chaos war as mentioned earlier Hercules said he repaired the universe not the multiverse. We never saw him go into any other universes sans the god realms. Also keep in mind weakened great beasts nearly beat CK and his God army. Very inconsistent
Originally posted by -K-M-
Read the text they refer to the "chaos king" destroying the universes. The pic is not important
The pic is what's actually important because it gives an idea at what power level was Mikaboshi considered an aspect of oblivion. The name is not that relevant, that was my mistake.
Originally posted by -K-M-
I'm aware. I don't think you get what I'm saying. There are several universes connected to the 616. That technically would make it a multiverse, but not saying that's what it was due to the actual term for multiverse.
Ok. Then we're in agreement here.
Originally posted by Galan007
The pic is VERY important, because it's Oblivion himself who is generating the image as a means of showing us exactly WHO he is referring to:He also uses the titles "Mikaboshi" and "Chaos King" interchangeably, which makes the specific image of Mikaboshi even more relevant.
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Originally posted by Galan007
The pic is very important, imo, because it is Oblivion himself generating the image as a means of showing us exactly WHO he is referring to:He also uses the names "Mikaboshi" and "Chaos King" interchangeably, which makes the specific image of Mikaboshi far more relevant than the name.
I disagree. He refered to mika and chaos king as the same person. He was still the chaos king underneath his attire. He just removed it during the story and that's when we saw his true face.
This isn't the first time mika tried this. It was the Japanese gods that stopped him the first time
Originally posted by -K-M-
Not at all, he was still the chaos king under his attire. When he removed his clothes and mask is when we saw his true face which is what we saw until the end of the book. In the same sentence he refered to as mika being the chaos king
Doesn't change the fact that he absorbed countless powers on his way which is how he became multiversal, which is why he is far below oblivion at base power. And by extension is why Oblivion conjured an image of his base form and not an amp form.
