Chaos King Hercules vs Promethean Giant Geridath

Originally posted by -K-M-
I disagree. He refered to mika and chaos king as the same person. He was still the chaos king underneath his attire. He just removed it during the story and that's when we saw his true face.

...He could have easily generated an image of CK-proper, if that is indeed who he was referencing. /shrug

Yes but again he refered to the chaos king nearly destroying all the universes and failed because he was merely an small aspect of his infinity form. Infinity means no limit do you actually agree he has no limit? That clearly illustrates he feels he was beyond the chaos king.

Agree to disagree

Originally posted by Galan007
Right, but Oblivion wasn't saying that peak CK was a mere aspect of his totality/power. He was referring to CK's original/base iteration: Mikaboshi.

Hence the image of Mikaboshi he specifically opted to show us. He could have easily generated an image of CK-proper, if that is indeed who he was talking about. /shrug

Actually he referenced mika and CK in the same sentence and said he failed because he was just an aspect of him and went on to talk about he destroyed all the universes. That would be the height of his power

Or he merely showed a pic of mika, which is still the chaos king

"Infinite" is a relative term in comics that is thrown around all the time.

The only being in Marvel who possesses *truly* infinite power is TOAA. Anyone below that is more accurately described as nigh-infinite, regardless of statements or w/e.

Guh! That's my point. He could have simply been boosting. It doesn't make sense powerwise and what we have seen

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yes but again he refered to the chaos king nearly destroying all the universes and failed because he was merely an small aspect of his infinity form. Infinity means no limit do you actually agree he has no limit? That clearly illustrates he feels he was beyond the chaos king.

Agree to disagree

But your argument is contradictory. You're saying peak CK is Oblivion's aspect, despite the fact that Mikaboshi achieved his peak form by absorbing external power which wasn't Oblivion's. How could these fit together?

Originally posted by -K-M-
Guh! That's my point. He could have simply been boosting

Anyway, I'm just saying that I believe Oblivion was referencing the original/base version of Mikaboshi when he stated that he was just an aspect of his totality(as the image shows us.) I am not of the mind that he was referring to peak CK, who only attained that level of power/status after he damn near absorbed all of Marvel. /shrug

Originally posted by operator616
But your argument is contradictory. You're saying peak CK is Oblivion's aspect, despite the fact that Mikaboshi achieved his peak form by absorbing external power which wasn't Oblivion's. How could these fit together?

Not at all. He references mika and chaos king in the same sentence and then went on about destroying the universes. No where did he said he was referring to a weaker mika.

Then why didn't Oblivion provide a more current image of CK-proper? Why specifically show us Mikaboshi?

Originally posted by Galan007
While I do not believe Oblivion's raw power is infinite, I definitely believe the concept he embodies is infinite. He is basically just the empty void/blackness that existed before creation itself, and will be left over when creation comes to an end -- and that voidspace technically is infinite.

Anyway, I'm just saying that I believe Oblivion was referencing the original/base version of Mikaboshi when he stated that he was just an aspect of his totality(as the image shows us.) I am not of the mind that he was referring to peak CK, who only attained that level of power/status after he damn near absorbed all of Marvel. /shrug

Keep in mind this isn't the first time he did this and eternity was referring him as his equal and was the void before the universe began

What a shit ****ing character Chaos King turned out to be.

Mikaboshi was excellent.

Originally posted by Galan007
Then why didn't Oblivion provide a more current image of CK-proper. Why specifically show us Mikaboshi?

Why would he? Only difference is he was wearing his clothes there while in chaos war he took them off. He specifically referenced the chaos king in the same
Panel and sentence as he referenced mika. Then right after talks about destroying the universes

Again he's done this before

Originally posted by -K-M-
Not at all. He references mika and chaos king in the same sentence and then went on about destroying the universes. No where did he said he was referring to a weaker mika.

You're missing the point though.

Peak CK = base CK + countless external powers (not Oblivion's)

Which makes it impossible for his peak form to be an aspect of Oblivion.

Not at all of you not know his backstory prior to choas war? Or when eternity was talking shot him near the start of choas war?

He was basically returning to his true level

Originally posted by -K-M-
Keep in mind this isn't the first time he did this and eternity was referring him as his equal and was the void before the universe began

Originally posted by -K-M-
Why would he? Only difference is he was wearing his clothes there while in chaos war he took them off. He specifically referenced the chaos king in the same
Panel and sentence as he referenced mika. Then right after talks about destroying the universes

Again he's done this before

Oblivion showed us a specific iteration of the character for a reason. It's silly to think he was referring to CK-proper. If that were the case, he would have just shown us an image of him instead.

and notice Hercules showed mika when he refered to him as universal but that wasn't his true form. Sometimes the pictures are just for general references purposes

Originally posted by -K-M-
Not at all of you not know his backstory prior to choas war? Or when eternity was talking shot him near the start of choas war?

He was basically returning to his true level

I remember vaguely that he has some ambiguous creation story with Gaea being involved in it as well for some reason. He was apparently the void before creation and yes, that is perhaps his "true level". We still can't ignore the countless gods and pantheons he absorbed along the way before achieving his Chaos King true form. Which by default makes his peak form inapplicable to being an oblivion aspect. But I don't think anyone is changing the other's mind on this one.

That actually proves what I'm saying.

Herc referenced Mikaboshi being universal /w/ an accompanied image of his normal/base-self. CK, however, was multiversal.

The former fits perfectly with the notion that Mikaboshi was just one aspect of Oblivion's totality. Mika=universal; Oblivion's totality=multiversal. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
That actually proves what I'm saying.

Herc referenced Mikaboshi being universal /w/ an accompanied image of his normal/base-self. CK, however, was multiversal.

The former fits perfectly with the notion that Mikaboshi was just one aspect of Oblivion's totality. Mika=universal; Oblivion's totality=multiversal. 🙂

Not at all even if you think mika was universal so oblivion was far above that? No. Also he donned that look after the Japanese captured him the first time. That wasn't his look when he was the void

But you think mika prior to chaos war was universal in power? I don't. Yet they showed that form and referenced him to bring universal. The story was to get him back to his regular levels

Also remember when Hercules repaired all of reality he referenced it as the recreating the "universe". Could be the exact same thing. Multiversal but Hercules said universe again. Zero consistency

Again, an image of Mikaboshi was specifically shown. No reason at all to think that pic was meant to represent CK at the peak of his power.

Bored discussing this, though... We just keep repeating the same shit. 😘