The first Muramasa blade, yes. Not the one from Origins.
Wolverine's adamantium is actually adamantium beta... as his HF induced a molecular change in the primary adamantium. It may very well be tougher than the real deal.
Anyhow, why are you so bent on ignoring the shield's unique properties? "I don't like it, it didn't happen" - same behavior in every thread, really?
Surfer is still slower than Spidey 👆
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The first Muramasa blade, yes. Not the one from Origins.Wolverine's adamantium is actually adamantium beta... as his HF induced a molecular change in the primary adamantium. It may very well be tougher than the real deal.
I sincerely doubt that it's stronger based on something as inane as a healing factor influencing metal. Also, adamantium "beta" would imply it's a lesser subsidiary of it.
Anyhow, why are you so bent on ignoring the shield's unique properties? "I don't like it, it didn't happen" - same behavior in every thread, really?
As they literally do not exist for the most part, and vibranium is confirmed to not even be a part of it anymore. Why would it absorb anything when it's not supposed to, and when it demonstratively doesn't?
Sans a few times when it was made out of vibranium.
Surfer is still slower than Spidey 👆
No, Silver Surfer isn't.
Wolverine loses badly to Spiderman by the way. 🙂
Originally posted by Sharivan
I sincerely doubt that it's stronger based on something as inane as a healing factor influencing metal. Also, adamantium "beta" would imply it's a lesser subsidiary of it.
It does have better feats, like Thor not being able to dent it.
Originally posted by Sharivan
As they literally do not exist for the most part, and vibranium is confirmed to not even be a part of it anymore. Why would it absorb anything when it's not supposed to, and when it demonstratively doesn't?Sans a few times when it was made out of vibranium.
The vibranium is a part of it, all writers agree on that part.
Originally posted by Sharivan
No, Silver Surfer isn't.
He is, he is. Just look at their fights again 😉
Originally posted by Sharivan
Wolverine loses badly to Spiderman by the way. 🙂
Maybe in your fan fiction stories.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It does have better feats, like Thor not being able to dent it.
That sure sounds familiar.
The vibranium is a part of it, all writers agree on that part.
Yet, leonidas just confirmed that it wasn't and it is instead made out of proto-admanatium.
He is, he is. Just look at their fights again 😉
You mean those hilariously inconsistent fights that were nearly as bad as Batman defeating Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman, Green Lantern, and the Flash?
Maybe in your fan fiction stories.
Shall we talk about that one-thousand page Wolverine vs Spiderman thread that lasted over a decade?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Did you even read that scan?
http://i.stack.imgur.com/85f4K.jpg
"they gave me some of this rare metal to work with...vibranium i believe it is now called...."
😕
proto-adamantium is the name given to the vibranium alloy the shield was made from. proto-adamantium because it was macclain's first attempt at adamantium and was the 'non-replicable' precursor of it.
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/captainamericashield8.jpg
so, yeah, the shield is made of an unknown and never repeated alloy, but vibranium has a hand in it.
as far as using bois--i agree they are not ideal, but there is no book anywhere that will specifically state it was 'wakandan vibranium' in the shield. that should be the default reasoning though without question, unless there is a third type of vibranium shown in a book somewhere that i am unaware of....
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Did you even read that scan?
Not once does it mention that it absorbs anything, and it wasn't actually vibranium anymore. It was made by studying it in order to create a new indestructible metal from steel alloy. Which it was mixed in with steel alloy in a unspecified process as the lead scientist fell asleep during the mixture. The final product was adamantium. It's specifically indestructible.
Adamantium does not absorb anything.
Unless you want to try to say all adamantium retains this feature despite being made into an entirely new metal.
Originally posted by leonidas
http://i.stack.imgur.com/85f4K.jpg"they gave me some of this rare metal to work with...vibranium i believe it is now called...."
😕
As I already said here:
Originally posted by Sharivan
Not once does it mention that it absorbs anything, and it wasn't actually vibranium anymore. It was made by studying it in order to create a new indestructible metal from steel alloy. Which it was mixed in with steel alloy in a unspecified process as the lead scientist fell asleep during the mixture. The final product was adamantium. It's specifically indestructible.Adamantium does not absorb anything.
Unless you want to try to say all adamantium retains this feature despite being made into an entirely new metal.
As I was busy replying to Stiltman.
proto-adamantium is the name given to the vibranium alloy the shield was made from. proto-adamantium because it was macclain's first attempt at adamantium and was the 'non-replicable' precursor of it.
I know, and I read your scan the new alloy was a result of an unspecified mixture that created a new metal that was indestructible. Which was completely accidental. Unless you want to try and say adamantium retains its absorbing properties.
It wasn't the same metal. It was an entirely new one.
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/captainamericashield8.jpg
As I already established earlier it's not something Thor can damage. So, I am not sure why you're bringing this up.
i'm not sure what you're saying tbh, in particular this bit:
Unless you to try and say adamantium retains its absorbing properties.
don't know why you're bringing up adamantium in the shield discussion as the shield is not adamantium, which (as told in the thor scan) wasn't create until decades later.....
also, are you saying vibranium is NOT in the shield? 😕
could the new alloy have....reduced/depleted the vibranium absorption properties? i guess, sure, but that would only add to what we see in so many scans--it partially absorbs impacts. i showed a scan that already confirmed it. your idea though (if that is what you're trying to say) has merit and would explain why the energy shield was even better at absorbing--it had more 'vibranium properties' than the shield retained by mixing metals.
Originally posted by leonidas
i'm not sure what you're saying tbh, in particular this bit:
Typo, that I fixed seven minutes before you replied. Just read it again.
don't know why you're bringing up adamantium in the shield discussion as the shield is not adamantium, which (as told in the thor scan) wasn't create until decades later.....
Short for protro-adamantium which garden variety adamantium is based off of. It is the prototype, and first form of adamantium that the lesser versions of adamantium are based off of. Yet, they do not have any energy absorbing abilities even to a lesser extent than it should.
also, are you saying vibranium is NOT in the shield? 😕
I am saying it's drastically changed as a result of this procedure, and no longer vibranium as a result.
could the new alloy have....reduced/depleted the vibranium absorption properties? i guess, sure, but that would only add to what we see in so many scans--it partially absorbs impacts. i showed a scan that already confirmed it. your idea though (if that is what you're trying to say) has merit and would explain why the energy shield was even better at absorbing--it had more 'vibranium properties' than the shield retained by mixing metals.
Basically, yes that's what I am saying. The process should have diluted it to the point where it's clearly not very good at absorbing kinetic energy on its own. As we see when it fails to even completely absorb Cyclops optic blasts, and Captain America has to actually strain himself to push them. It's not any sort of nullification of kinetic energy, and what absorbing properties it does have seem nearly nonexistent without those aforementioned modifications.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What about U.S. Agent's shield? 😖hifty:100% vibranium, still uses it for both attack and defense 😛
We're back on vibranium when we're talking about proto-adamantium?
In which case maybe it's energy absorption can be used the opposite way in order to redirect kinetic energy. As seen with leonidas's first example. Where Captain America blasts someone with his modified shield.
I don't know comic book writers are barely able to sort through these things themselves. As I said before idiots the whole lot of them.
The rare exception being the likes of... I can't think of any. Maybe Brian K. Vaughan.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The energy shield is a completely separate thing, Shariv. Can be thrown any time he likes, just doesn't return - he generates himself a new one.
So then, Captain America's shield has positively no instances where it clearly absorbs any kinetic energy? As that's the only one leonidas brought up that's clear on that.
You're just too stubborn to admit you're wrong here.
I don't want to hear that from someone who thought Wolverine would beat Spiderman in that positively ridiculous thread.
Nor someone who decides to bring up Silver Surfer's speed in an entirely different topic.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So basically none of Batman's fears count because they don't make sense.Yeah, do continue wanking Iron Fist because of the same feats.
Nope, I provided many instances that showed that Danny is blatantly superhuman to the extent that most of his fights actually make sense. You provided positively no instances that prove that Batman is faster than light or a planet destroying demi-god.
You have two choices here.
You either drop that or egregiously claim Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman, and the Flash are not as superhuman as Batman.
Question if anyone brought those fights up against Superman would you honestly say they are legitimate even then?
You know it makes me wonder.
You would either try to defend yourself and say they are legitimate but that Superman is still somehow far above Batman. That, or backpeddle out of it.
That or use a straw man like you're doing right now in order to try and say I am doing the same thing your were then.
Batman has fought and stalemated Wonder woman 4 times.
It matters little if he is superhuman or not. He is just that much skilled.
Karate Kid shits on Rand in striking power and speed and yet Batman stalemated him. Two versions of Karate Kids.
So yeah, you can only ignore Batman's feats. Glad we established that.
