Iron Fist vs. Midnighter

Started by DarkSaint8515 pages

Originally posted by cdtm
Isn't that outside help?

May as well give Batman the JLA teleporter in his fights. 🙁

Its standard gear, to me. He has used it so often in his fights. Unlike Batman, who, whilst he HAS used it, almost never does so in a fight.

I reckon out of Batman's entire history (10k appearances or more) I would still be able to find more examples of Mids using doors offensively and defensively. With Mids' 1000 or so appearances. Its well within his character to use.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not if the computer comes up with: Door.

But as seen with my scan. Midnighter predicted the ENTIRE day, down to the conversation they were going to have. Spidey cant do that.

Iron Fist Killer can't do that.

Its more than precog. Its guessing, but guessing based on one choice.

It's an impressive feat. And not one that doesn't make a little bit of sense, of you consider people are highly predictible.

Basically, what I took from that is Midnighter did a hyper version of a Google profile.. It's not like he randomly predicted someone was visiting him that he hasn't seen in 20.years, he was working with data on people and events he knew he'd be dealing with throughout the day.

Impressive, yes, but that doesn't make him Dr. Manhattan.

Oh god no, he's not Manhattan. But as seen with my example with Sharivan, I managed to whittle down an entire vocabulary of every possible language known to man....down to one word.

And I predicted it correctly.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
You are clearly inferring that if I don't answer to the thread I'm conceding thus you're making an argument from silence.

Thanks for proving my point.

Now you're arguing from fallacy, and combining that with a straw man from an entirely different argument than the one I was talking about.

Good job using more fallacious tactics.

Nope.

I just proved that you use the argument from silence on daily basis.

As I already noted before.

I only used it there, and I wasn't using it in reference to what I was actually talking about. What I quoted? When I asked you if you conceded or not.

I should win a medal for answering to you when you are openly trolling.

This coming from the guy who admits that he is trying to discredit me in any way he can by dishonestly representing my side the best that he can?

As seen here the continuous misinterpretation of Iron Fist's feats via completely ignoring the context and making-up explanations. GG

Now I think you're blind because it clearly shows you that I asked you first before asserting that you conceded. What I said earlier in that other thread was a long time before I said that, and a different exchange I wasn't referring to.

Nice try.

Nice try isn't a rebuttal.

Once again that's a gross misinterpretation.

I will expose with force details why you are a liar and or someone whom is relying on cognitive dissonance instead of reading the comic at hand.

I'm sure that you have been calling out about it before and you claims ridiculed.

Nope, actually this is the only forum where I had any problems. Namely because of the likes of yourself, and abhilegend. Oh, and the positively poor standards of debate. Which leaves someone wanting.

The problem is your particularly odd opinions, and lowballing.

Unfortunately what you are trying to make pass as an ability to absorb explosion was only Danny absorbing radiation from his hand-to-hand with Radion and surviving because he is more durable than a normal human, as he is peak human because he is summoning his Chi.

As I showed you many times before Daniel Rand is not peak human. He is blatantly superhuman.

Originally posted by Sharivan
Immortal Iron Fist #23

Dodging four different bullets at once, and does so in slow motion so we can see the bullets in mid-air.

Power Man & Iron Fist #89

https://i.imgur.com/ciYjoBD.jpg

Deflecting dozens of flechettes at once, and creating numerous afterimages.

Power Man & Iron Fist #50

https://i.imgur.com/apaLQqQ.jpg

Catching a bullet with bare hands.

Immortal Iron Fist Annual

https://i.imgur.com/mzHglT3.jpg

He is able to move within the time-frame of a microsecond.

Iron Fist v3 #1

http://imgur.com/a/TiUNn

It only takes him 0.05 seconds to charge and use his Iron Fist.

Power Man & Iron Fist #54

https://i.imgur.com/WOnwAf0.jpg

He is able to easily defeat a giant dragon.

Immortal Weapons #5

http://imgur.com/a/0EXnr

He is able to take down a helicarrier with a single blow.

New Avengers #59

http://imgur.com/a/BHP0F

The collateral damage from his Iron Fist is compared to a hydrogen bomb.

Deadly Hands of Kung Fu #20

http://imgur.com/a/76zEa

He is able to murder Zhu-Rong, a God of Fire and Universal Order in a single punch.

Iron Fist: ILW #11

https://i.imgur.com/5ckAEMV.jpg

Originally posted by Sharivan
Speaking of that.

Immortal Iron Fist #14

I only brought those up because that's precisely what would happen if Iron Fist was intent on actually murdering them, and had no moral compulsions stopping him.

As seen here.

You are making an egregious claim based on the databooks, and are refusing to be reasoned with on this matter.

Citation needed that Daniel Rand was only absorbing the radiation, and that he wasn't also absorbing a brunt of the explosions.

This is more speculation that you have yet to support with evidence.

Same stuff with Master Khan about the damages...

Danny didn't broke the Crimson band neither because:

A) The spell is shown being dissipated on panel, after Danny calls Yu-Ti upon his responsibility on Danny's parents death, thus making Master Kahn's request accepted by default.
B) Danny summon his Iron Fist AFTER the Crimson bands are dissipated.
C) The Iron Fist enhance the striking power and not the strength thus making it impossible for Danny to destroy the Crimson band via sheer force...

Those 3 points, like many others, literally fly over your head because hey, why reading a character from a comic book when you can create your own, isn't it ?

Already rebuked all three of these points.

Danny refuses the offer, and Khan doesn't dispel anything. It's shows his conflict, and his inherent refusal because of his honor within his inner monologue.

Danny summons his chi when he breaks out of Crimson Bands of Cyttorak. As we can see both his hands glowing when he does so. He then uses the Iron Fist again in order to destroy the portal.

Nope.

Yes, that's the case.

You scan spamming is a proof of it, you can't evolve.

I don't want to hear that from someone who refuses to acknowledge the inanity of the databooks, and is egregiously claiming that Daniel Rand is peak human even with his chi.

And about Danny's combat speed and the overhyped "Drunk Fist", here is the full context:

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/34/1471912290-tbolts-137-010.jpg

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/34/1471912299-tbolts-137-011.jpg

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/34/1471912303-tbolts-137-012.jpg

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/34/1471912304-tbolts-137-013.jpg

Which changes nothing?

Daniel Rand still beat Mr. X, and the only reason he was beaten there was because Iron Fist was outnumbered and caught off guard by a bunch of different guys afterwards.

This pretty much defuse all of your claims about Danny being able to shrugg off Nukes or move thousand of times the speed of sound or the Drunk Kung-Fu being efficient...

No, it doesn't.

You didn't show it failing against Mr. X. You showed Daniel Rand being outnumbered, and surprised by a bunch of other people who proceed to take advantage of that and gang up on him.

That doesn't support your point at all.

GG NO RE

I'm just being started.

*I'm just getting started.

Reality Warper and Sharivan, this is your last chance to stop the nonsense. This place was peaceful until you both started derailing threads with your nonsense and reports. Stop now and keep posting freely, or I temp ban you both.

Originally posted by Badabing
Reality Warper and Sharivan, this is your last chance to stop the nonsense. This place was peaceful until you both started derailing threads with your nonsense and reports. Stop now and keep posting freely, or I temp ban you both.

Does it mean that I can address the thread while ignoring his claims ?

Basically, comment on the characters and feats, not on each other.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Basically, comment on the characters and feats, not on each other.

I'm fine with that. 🙂

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Basically, comment on the characters and feats, not on each other.

And if you absolutely positively cant do that:

No one's worth getting banned over.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Does it mean that I can address the thread while ignoring his claims ?

They're not claims. They're facts supported by evidence outside of fights, and inside of fights. Then again, you can't really tell the difference anyway. After all, you're fine with using baseless speculation.

That's impressive how many characters have nuke-level punches those days.

Originally posted by RealityWarper

That's impressive how many characters have nuke-level punches those days.

You're using Deadpool who was already established to run on nonsense in the other thread. Whose showings over other characters have always been ridiculous.

He has hurt Thanos empowered by Death. So, by your own logic by using showings over other characters Deadpool would be a fully-fledged cosmic entity.

Midnighter still wins.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Midnighter still wins.

Midnighter still loses.

Well you're wrong as always.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well you're wrong as always.

Not really, no.

You're as stubborn as usual though.

Yes, I'm right as always and you're wrong as always.

Iron Fist loses here. His history of losing to Shang Chi level MAs is pretty well documented.

Originally posted by Sharivan
You're using Deadpool who was already established to run on nonsense in the other thread. Whose showings over other characters have always been ridiculous.

He has hurt Thanos empowered by Death. So, by your own logic by using showings over other characters Deadpool would be a fully-fledged cosmic entity.

😂

I've already posted over 10 scans with 10 different characters hurting Iron Fist in different situations.

That's impressive how much Marvel characters can throw Nuke-level punches those days.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, I'm right as always and you're wrong as always.

No, you're wrong and I have been over why dozens of times.

Iron Fist loses here. His history of losing to Shang Chi level MAs is pretty well documented.

Iron Fist wins here, as I have already demonstrated. The fights in comic books are so unreliable that using them without anything outside of them to back them up is straight up dishonest, and ignoring how ridiculous comic books are.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
I've already posted over 10 scans with 10 different characters hurting Iron Fist in different situations.

Note the above, and all the instances I provided that shows that those instances don't make any particular sense.

That's impressive how much Marvel characters can throw Nuke-level punches those days.

What's impressive is how comic books writers are incapable of any objectivity, and are willing to write anything no matter how ridiculous in order to get some money.