You realize that the manga is always considered first when discussing canon, right? Anime comes second. Since Rose hasn't been seen in the manga and Black hasn't been in the manga for more than one chapter, we generally go by the anime. For Hit, we go by manga, since he's been completely covered so far.
That's not universally agreed upon, though, because this is a case where neither the anime nor the manga is an adaptation of the other. They're being made at the same time by different people working with AT's script.
I think the manga's better, and more consistent, but it doesn't have any authority over the anime. Nor vice versa. They're completely separate entities with completely different power level systems.
If anything, threads should specify whether we're using the DBS anime or DBS manga versions of the characters to avoid confusion.
I know the anime came first. What I'm saying is it's always been held as a secondary source when discussing canon. Admittedly my opinion of manga>anime for canon is partially bias for my strong favoring of the manga, but it's always been the primary source for canon material, so I can't see why it couldn't be here. I know why it wouldn't be, I'm just saying it could very well be considered the primary source for Super, but since we don't have any specific statements for Super canon, we can't exactly say either is more valid than the other as law. All we have to go on is that the anime came before the manga, and for all other DB series the manga has been the primary canon source.
Tbh, as far as vs forum stuff goes, I agree with NewGuy that it should be stated in the OP whether anime, manga, or movie canon is to be used.
Originally posted by Tondemonai
I know the anime came first. What I'm saying is it's always been held as a secondary source when discussing canon. Admittedly my opinion of manga>anime for canon is partially bias for my strong favoring of the manga, but it's always been the primary source for canon material, so I can't see why it couldn't be here. I know why it wouldn't be, I'm just saying it could very well be considered the primary source for Super, but since we don't have any specific statements for Super canon, we can't exactly say either is more valid than the other as law. All we have to go on is that the anime came before the manga, and for all other DB series the manga has been the primary canon source.
That's because the DB manga was written by Toriyama and the anime was merely an adaptation. That isn't the case here. So the manga being the primary canon source for DB is pretty irrelevant when it comes to discussing DBS continuity.
Originally posted by ares834
That's because the DB manga was written by Toriyama and the anime was merely an adaptation. That isn't the case here. So the manga being the primary canon source for DB is pretty irrelevant when it comes to discussing DBS continuity.
Right, but then the anime was originally an adaptation of the movies. So are they the primary source? No.
I don't know, Rose's speed didn't seem that impressive. Would have liked to see Super Kaioken, because I'd imagine that could beat Vegeta in a single move, and faster then he can see.
Guess it really depends on Black's durability (Can he take a constant assault of assassin attacks in the same spot?), and if he can still keep getting stronger/faster as he fights.