Originally posted by carver9
Vegeta worked Black. Black is of no relevance to Hit. Basically a toy character.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Then Black was subsequently back to winning against Goku and Vegeta together.
What NewGuy01 said.
Black was beating Goku and Vegeta together easily... you can add Hit there and it would be the same.
Episode 72 only proves what producer said and proves that Black destroys Hit easily.
Originally posted by Inedian
What NewGuy01 said.Black was beating Goku and Vegeta together easily... you can add Hit there and it would be the same.
Episode 72 only proves what producer said and proves that Black destroys Hit easily.
Black only gained an advantage when his partner helped him. Before this, Black was getting destroyed, with ease from Vegeta. Vegeta would've never did Hit like that. Not even close.
Episode 72 proved that a holding back Hit can contend with Goku (and was working Goku. Goku got one hit off of him, a scratch and he was excited about that).
Let's also not forget about Goku working both Z and Black at the same time.
Originally posted by Estacado
Not to mention that Black would never figure out that Hit is stepping in and out his own dimension.
Yep. Let alone get past his time skip. This version of Hit is going for the kill. He would take Black out before Black even realized the bell rung. Killing techniques during the onset of the fight with time frozen. Black gets killed with ease tbh. He also isn't immortal.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Zamasu didn't know about the mafuba either.Hit murks Black. Not sure about Black and Zamasu together.
The Mafuba is really an Earth based technique, though. The gods have much more experience with time travel.
Especially Zamasu, making extensive use of a time ring.
Zamasu's time ring would probably completely counter/null Hit's limited ability anyways.
Originally posted by KingD19
No it wouldn't. You can't use the Time Ring to not get stuck in time. You can only jump forward, and back to where you started. It's not even for combat purposes.
Except they just established you're not stuck in time. Hit does not stop time. Whis said Hit does not stop time.
All he does is bounce from one point to the next via a "mirror dimension", and that's all. The intangibility thing was because he's essentially looking out from an alternate timeline, as Whis explained it.
And Goku beat it by collapsing the time bubble. Anyone since Buu saga can do that, including Zamasu.
Originally posted by cdtm
Except they just established you're not stuck in time. Hit does not stop time. Whis said Hit does not stop time.All he does is bounce from one point to the next via a "mirror dimension", and that's all. The intangibility thing was because he's essentially looking out from an alternate timeline, as Whis explained it.
And Goku beat it by collapsing the time bubble. Anyone since Buu saga can do that, including Zamasu.
My mistake. You're not stuck in time. Hit skips time for the duration of however many seconds he can use it now(which is a lot after about half a dozen power ups) But it's still obvious people who aren't skipping with him are stuck.
Also, as Vados explained, he can store increments of time when he uses Time-Skip. And uses the time he stores from "skipping" to create and sustain his dimension, and he stays within it so you can't hit him and he can attack from relative safety if he feels like it.
Goku collapsed it with a massive energy ball. But Goku also figured out all of Hit's attacks and techniques one after the other. Zamasu isn't the brilliant fighter Goku is, so I doubt he'll figure it out. And that's if he survives the first attack.
The power they were explaining for Hit is his CURRENT power... it has no play in what was displayed during the tournament. Hit power has changed... he has enhanced and even admitted he doesn't resort to his time stop anymore. They explained his new abilities, not what he displayed during his fight against Vegeta and Goku during the tournament.