Darth Vader's rarely proven to be impressive with a lightsaber. His best accomplishments is getting the upper hand against Ben Kenobi and outdueling Starkiller (who can't be traced back to any respectable duelist besides Shaak Ti). In contrast, Skywalker's slaughtering Dooku with greater ease than Yoda and one-shotting the Jedi Order's Basttlemaster. He even has Gillard hyping him up to be "unbeatable." His combat skills are rooted in Father-tier potential. Vader? More like sub-Revan.
By virtue of simply being superior. Vader was a superior duelist, his style was more precise and deadly, his physicals blow Ani's out of the water. Zone Anakin is the only one I see putting up a fight, but even then Vader's physicals and superior skill are more than Anakin can handle. Not to mention Vader knows Anakin inside and out, how his mind works, what makes him tick and what triggers him. Vader will know how to break Anakin in any confrontation.
Ant, Vader's potential is still probably on Sidious's level if you take it seriously that he once had double and had it cut in half.
Originally posted by darthbane77
By virtue of simply being superior. Vader was a superior duelist, his style was more precise and deadly, his physicals blow Ani's out of the water. Zone Anakin is the only one I see putting up a fight, but even then Vader's physicals and superior skill are more than Anakin can handle. Not to mention Vader knows Anakin inside and out, how his mind works, what makes him tick and what triggers him. Vader will know how to break Anakin in any confrontation.
Knowing him inside and out is a valid point, but what makes you think his technical skill is that much better? He had to work his style around the limitations of his suit; is there any indication it actually grew superior?
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Ant, Vader's potential is still probably on Sidious's level if you take it seriously that he once had double and had it cut in half.
Palpatine clearly didn't think of him as a worthy successor, whereas with Marek (who has Luke potential), he saw it possible.
EDIT: Besides, Palpatine level is nothing to Father level anyway, so my point stands. Vader's a shadow of what he once was.
Originally posted by The EllimistVader is stated to have regained much of his original speed and agility, so that's not really a problem. His feats as Vader in terms of the Force are superior, his mastery of TK being pretty much the best in the mythos. His dueling skills are such that Sidious regarded him as the greatest Jedi killer in history, though that could be attributed to his Force powers as much as his dueling. His dueling was very technical, precise; he never went for less than a killing strike, as said by Galen Marek. Vader just simply became more powerful and more skilled than he had ever been as Anakin Skywalker.
Ant, Vader's potential is still probably on Sidious's level if you take it seriously that he once had double and had it cut in half.Knowing him inside and out is a valid point, but what makes you think his technical skill is that much better? He had to work his style around the limitations of his suit; is there any indication it actually grew superior?
Originally posted by darthbane77
Vader is stated to have regained much of his original speed and agility, so that's not really a problem. His feats as Vader in terms of the Force are superior, his mastery of TK being pretty much the best in the mythos. His dueling skills are such that Sidious regarded him as the greatest Jedi killer in history, though that could be attributed to his Force powers as much as his dueling. His dueling was very technical, precise; he never went for less than a killing strike, as said by Galen Marek. Vader just simply became more powerful and more skilled than he had ever been as Anakin Skywalker.
His feats in telekinesis are superior, but Anakin seems to have more "raw" power to amp himself; likewise, Dooku has better TK feats than Skywalker but still can't match him in augmentation.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Yeah, there's that one feat in OCW, I'm not sure how to fit that into everything else he does.
Dooku legitimately briefly contemplated going back to the Jedi Order after seeing Skywalker's power on display in Labyrinth of Evil.