Anakin Skywalker (RotS) vs. Darth Vader (RotJ) - Sabers only

Started by The Ellimist3 pages

Didn't he struggle with something really basic right afterwards? It seems like he's more mood dependent with respect to his most impressive feats; Vader can pull them off casually.

^Exactly. Anakin's greatest feats are all done under a certain state of mind. Vader can do all the shit Anakin has done, and he can practically do it on a whim compared to how hard it is for Anakin.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Didn't he struggle with something really basic right afterwards? It seems like he's more mood dependent with respect to his most impressive feats; Vader can pull them off casually.

Earlier in the novel he failed to open a large door, but earlier in the novel also had Kenobi musing Skywalker's just as powerful as Yoda.

Based on the same mindset he had going into the Dooku fight, he should be able to replicate all his extremely impressive feats.

Originally posted by darthbane77
and he can practically do it on a whim compared to how hard it is for Anakin.

mmm Skywalker did his best two TK feats pretty easily.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Earlier in the novel he failed to open a large door, but earlier in the novel also had Kenobi musing Skywalker's just as powerful as Yoda.

Based on the same mindset he had going into the Dooku fight, he should be able to replicate all his extremely impressive feats.

That quote would be wicked.

Well yeah, Anakin wins if he's in that mindset. It's difficult to gauge what his "typical" one is.

"Clearly Anakin was as strong in the Force as any Jedi who had ever sat on the Council. But as Obi-Wan had told him time and again, the essence of being a Jedi didn't hinge on attaining mastery of the Force, but on attaining mastery over oneself."

Source: Obi-Wan Kenobi (Labyrinth of Evil)

And there's no indication it's referring to potential, since it also makes note of Anakin's current flaws, and peak Anakin would be vastly more powerful than any Jedi anyway.

Sweet.

But "powerful" is still a vague term; it isn't clear that it puts him above Vader with his familiarity of Anakin's moves, his decades of experience, greater mastery of the Force, and cybernetics.

Anakin was ragdolling decent opponents, Vader was ragdolling fodder. Anakin wins...

@Ellim: Which honestly isn't enough to topple Skywalker. He's just simply too powerful, too skilled, too fast, too strong.

Vader's cybernetics, in particular, honestly won't trump Skywalker's raw strength, which appears to be vastly greater than Grievous'.

To quote Gillard: "(Anakin) now no longer cares. He knows he's unbeatable. He's far more dangerous than anybody in the universe."

Which opponents?

Welcome back, Ellim.

Please don't quote Gillard Ant, FOR **** SAKE

I'm discussing with Ellim, not you, and he takes Gillard seriously last time I checked.

Why exactly does it matter whether or not he takes it seriously? It's evidence either way. The fact that some people are butthurt about you supplying certain quotes isn't really worth addressing or considering, Ant.

Legends has Anakin being the stronger of the two.

Vader

Technically, Anakin's powers and abilities depend on his mindset, but at his absolute best, he trumps Vader, yeah.

Lol.

How low do you have Anakin again?

Below Obi-Wan.