Originally posted by carver9
Don't know if Heman could match him physically
He'd be more susceptible to a KO. So you may be right. But he's actually one of the few characters that, for example, I think could match any version of Hulk in an arm wrestling match. I can't even say that about Superman, though imo Kal's full suite of powers is what separates him, not just his strength.
It's as much about the sword as anything, though. If this is entirely H2H, I'd be singing a different tune.
Originally posted by Digi
He'd be more susceptible to a KO. So you may be right. But he's actually one of the few characters that, for example, I think could match any version of Hulk in an arm wrestling match. I can't even say that about Superman, though imo Kal's full suite of powers is what separates him, not just his strength.It's as much about the sword as anything, though. If this is entirely H2H, I'd be singing a different tune.
I know you are highly familiar with the character so I'm unsure on this but can Heman amp himself physically?
Originally posted by carver9
I know you are highly familiar with the character so I'm unsure on this but can Heman amp himself physically?
Yes. It's one of the lazier plot devices in comics/TV. But he amps via a multiversal nexus of power that grants him as much strength as he needs for a task. I'm not joking when I say he's among the tiny number of sub-Skyfather characters that could conceivably match or surpass any version of Hulk in pure strength. However, it's also conceivable to play the "no-limits fallacy" card on that argument, and when we look at the totality of their feats, they both have some lunatic highs, but Hulk probably gets the edge in terms of highest-end feats. So in an actual fight, I'd call strength a push.
He's got other weaknesses Hulk doesn't. Bit of a glass jaw at times and a tendency to "play down" to his competition, so to speak. Also no real healing feats. Probably slight skill and speed edge over Hulk, though. But between his strength and the Sword of Power, which can phuck up anyone at this level, he's a bad matchup for Hulk imo.
It's interesting, I just repped Thor over He-Man in a thread. I think he could KO Adam without entering melee range if he wanted. But I don't think he could do the same to Hulk, who presents more of a problem for Thor due to his durability and healing. Thor would need to enter melee range, where Hulk has an advantage. Yet He-Man presents a challenge to Hulk, maybe more so than Thor. It's an interesting microcosm of why things like tiers often break down under scrutiny.
Originally posted by Digi
Yes. It's one of the lazier plot devices in comics/TV. But he amps via a multiversal nexus of power that grants him as much strength as he needs for a task. I'm not joking when I say he's among the tiny number of sub-Skyfather characters that could conceivably match or surpass any version of Hulk in pure strength. However, it's also conceivable to play the "no-limits fallacy" card on that argument, and when we look at the totality of their feats, they both have some lunatic highs, but Hulk probably gets the edge in terms of highest-end feats. So in an actual fight, I'd call strength a push.He's got other weaknesses Hulk doesn't. Bit of a glass jaw at times and a tendency to "play down" to his competition, so to speak. Also no real healing feats. Probably slight skill and speed edge over Hulk, though. But between his strength and the Sword of Power, which can phuck up anyone at this level, he's a bad matchup for Hulk imo.
It's interesting, I just repped Thor over He-Man in a thread. I think he could KO Adam without entering melee range if he wanted. But I don't think he could do the same to Hulk, who presents more of a problem for Thor due to his durability and healing. Thor would need to enter melee range, where Hulk has an advantage. Yet He-Man presents a challenge to Hulk, maybe more so than Thor. It's an interesting microcosm of why things like tiers often break down under scrutiny.
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Make sense. What speed fts does Heman have?
Originally posted by Digi
Yes. It's one of the lazier plot devices in comics/TV. But he amps via a multiversal nexus of power that grants him as much strength as he needs for a task. I'm not joking when I say he's among the tiny number of sub-Skyfather characters that could conceivably match or surpass any version of Hulk in pure strength. However, it's also conceivable to play the "no-limits fallacy" card on that argument, and when we look at the totality of their feats, they both have some lunatic highs, but Hulk probably gets the edge in terms of highest-end feats. So in an actual fight, I'd call strength a push.He's got other weaknesses Hulk doesn't. Bit of a glass jaw at times and a tendency to "play down" to his competition, so to speak. Also no real healing feats. Probably slight skill and speed edge over Hulk, though. But between his strength and the Sword of Power, which can phuck up anyone at this level, he's a bad matchup for Hulk imo.
It's interesting, I just repped Thor over He-Man in a thread. I think he could KO Adam without entering melee range if he wanted. But I don't think he could do the same to Hulk, who presents more of a problem for Thor due to his durability and healing. Thor would need to enter melee range, where Hulk has an advantage. Yet He-Man presents a challenge to Hulk, maybe more so than Thor. It's an interesting microcosm of why things like tiers often break down under scrutiny.
I see you edited out the bit praising LoB.....
Originally posted by Digi
Yes. It's one of the lazier plot devices in comics/TV. But he amps via a multiversal nexus of power that grants him as much strength as he needs for a task. I'm not joking when I say he's among the tiny number of sub-Skyfather characters that could conceivably match or surpass any version of Hulk in pure strength. However, it's also conceivable to play the "no-limits fallacy" card on that argument, and when we look at the totality of their feats, they both have some lunatic highs, but Hulk probably gets the edge in terms of highest-end feats. So in an actual fight, I'd call strength a push.He's got other weaknesses Hulk doesn't. Bit of a glass jaw at times and a tendency to "play down" to his competition, so to speak. Also no real healing feats. Probably slight skill and speed edge over Hulk, though. But between his strength and the Sword of Power, which can phuck up anyone at this level, he's a bad matchup for Hulk imo.
It's interesting, I just repped Thor over He-Man in a thread. I think he could KO Adam without entering melee range if he wanted. But I don't think he could do the same to Hulk, who presents more of a problem for Thor due to his durability and healing. Thor would need to enter melee range, where Hulk has an advantage. Yet He-Man presents a challenge to Hulk, maybe more so than Thor. It's an interesting microcosm of why things like tiers often break down under scrutiny.
Not to completely derail, but why would Thor ever need to enter melee?
He fires his big guns at range.
Entering melee is the last thing he ever needs to do.
Originally posted by Flyattractor
[b]What I would like to know is how Long would Hulk last against some of these guys if you took away his Insanely Powerful Healing and Regenerative abilities? [/B]
He will still probably win. They have been praising his durability. Making it appear as if it is harder than Adamantium.