Strongest person from Super that SS4 Gogeta can beat?

Yeah. Vados and Whis(I assume she's stronger because she's his older sister) forced Beerus and Champa to stop fighting, as their fight was starting to break reality and just destroy everything.

Originally posted by ares834
Whis would win with a single hit before Gogeta even knew what was happening. Whis vs Gogeta is an absolute stomp.

Gogeta would be stronger than Beerus at that point, I highly doubt he gets one shot.

Originally posted by KingD19
Beerus has stated Whis is at least a good measure of strength above him. And Whis himself stated that not even he was as good as the Arch Bishop who introduced them to Omni-King. Which means that he's probably within the top 10 fighters in existence, as the Bishop guy was #5.

Yeah it'd be fair to think Whis would win, but there's no way it'd be easy. Gogeta really is a monster.

What makes you think Gogeta is above Beerus?

This is a none fight....SS4 Gogeta is fodder in the Super universe

Originally posted by ares834
That's cool and all. It still doesn't put them anywhere near characters who can bust the universe. Heck, even with the multipliers and taking Cell's solar system busting boast at face value, SSJ4 Gogeta can't even galaxy bust.

What?

Are you just making assumptions here? Because there's more evidence pointing in the opposite direction of your post.

Originally posted by KingD19
What makes you think Gogeta is above Beerus?

I don't have SSJG Goku that far above Super Vegito, let-alone SSJ4 Gogeta, who could flick Super Vegito and kill him.

^ haha wow....just wow

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Based on...

What?

Are you just making assumptions here? Because there's more evidence pointing in the opposite direction of your post.

What? Have you, uh, watched Super? There is an almost an entire episode devoted to Goku and Beerus almost destroying the universe due to the collision of their punches. This isn't an assumption, it's mentioned in the episode repeatedly.

If you're talking about the multipliers, well the galaxy is billions of times more massive than our entire solar system so once again no assumption. Just basic mathematics.

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Gogeta is not on the level of the Gods or Godlike beings, (Vegeta, Goku, Frieza, Hit, etc).

Wasn't it stated that base GT Goku = SS3 Buu Saga Goku? Now, this doesn't have any concrete backing, but here's my concept: what if all the people in SS4 Goku's league are multi-galaxy/universe busters? What if they can controll their power to such a digree that a blast that would normally wipe out an entire solar system could be focused so the destructive output is the same, but the resulting explosion is significantly reduced? Think about it. In SSG Goku vs Beerus, their colliding punches nearly destroyed the universe, but when SSB Goku fought SSB Commeson Vegita, the battlefield was left almost completely intact (when compared to how it should've been). How unlikely is it to say that they learned how to controll their power so that the universe didn't collapse every time they took a SSS (Super Saiyan Shit)? It would make sense, given that they're closing the power gap between them and Beerus, so they'd need to be able to limit the excess damage. So who's to say that everyone in GT learned to do this to such insane levels that a galaxy-busting Ki attack only blew up a mountain, but in fact had equal destructive force?

Because there is no reason to believe so. Even if base GT Goku is greater than SSJ 3 Z Goku, the multiplier still likely won't get Gogeta to galactic level let alone universal.

http://youtu.be/oyl97TG8jbA 14:02

It's not DB, but it' sa perfect example of what I'm talking about.

Yes, I got what you are talking about. But you need feats or statements to initially make such a claim in the first place.

I'm well aware, hence why I stated that I had no concrete backing for it, hence why it is just an idea. I formulated a theory based on showings that needed explanation and logical deduction, as is required of theoretical confrontations between fictional characters.

Originally posted by ares834
Because there is no reason to believe so. Even if base GT Goku is greater than SSJ 3 Z Goku, the multiplier still likely won't get Gogeta to galactic level let alone universal.

Kid Buu was a galaxy buster. And Beerus is universal. So, not sure how Gogeta wouldn't be universal, AT LEAST, going by power scaling. 🙁

Suffice to say, I don't consider Kid Buu a galaxy buster. But that's a debate for another time.

Also not sure how Beerus being universal translates to Gogeta unless you consider Super canon to GT.

Originally posted by KingD19
What makes you think Gogeta is above Beerus?

Because think of it this way, as an SSJ4, Goku was able to match Baby Vegeta x10. Baby Vegeta beat the snot out of an arguably more powerful ssj3 Goku, though not as impressively as Beerus. But then his power went up x10, if Baby were even 8% of Beerus, he would now be approaching his 80% mark. Then he fused. You see where I'm coming from?

In which case, Baby clearly isn't 8% of Beerus.

Not that it matter much, as Beerus's "percentages" are absolute horse shit. SSG Goku can give 60% Beerus a good fight. Yet the superior SSB Goku with an additional 10x boost from Kaioken is still inferior to Beerus... Even though he should be at least 6 times as strong.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Because think of it this way, as an SSJ4, Goku was able to match Baby Vegeta x10. Baby Vegeta beat the snot out of an arguably more powerful ssj3 Goku, though not as impressively as Beerus. But then his power went up x10, if Baby were even 8% of Beerus, he would now be approaching his 80% mark. Then he fused. You see where I'm coming from?

Okay?

Beerus one-shotted SSJ3 Goku who was more powerful in Super as he was in King Kai's realm, so his energy didn't get drained like in the real world iirc. He hit him so hard not only did he knock him out of SSJ3(with a light chop to the neck), he knocked him unconscious.

Beerus has casually destroyed planets, on accident. Like he sneezed and killed a planet.

Holding back and fighting with SSJG Goku he nearly destroyed the universe.

Fighting with Champa, a fellow God of Destruction, he was starting to destroy everything around them by simply fighting.

Also, Baby Vegeta doesn't = Vegeta.

All of this is based on maybes and what ifs, while Beerus and Co. have feats to back them up.

For all we know, Baby could have been 0.000000000001 of Beerus.

Also like Ares said, even a somewhat(to what extent is unclear because of his poor eating habits) weaker Champa could have easily killed SSJBKx10 Goku and "F*ck it I'm just gonna get stronger because I feel like it" Hit.