Strongest person from Super that SS4 Gogeta can beat?

Originally posted by ares834
In which case, Baby clearly isn't 8% of Beerus.

Not that it matter much, as Beerus's "percentages" are absolute horse shit. SSG Goku can give 60% Beerus a good fight. Yet the superior SSB Goku with an additional 10x boost from Kaioken is still inferior to Beerus... Even though he should be at least 6 times as strong.

That's not how logic works. You blatantly "nu-uhd" right now. What I said isn't wrong based solely on it making baby that powerful.

Nope. If you want to believe that Beerus could have beaten SSJ Blue Goku, based solely off his statements, then you have to take his percentage statements as fact as well.

Originally posted by KingD19
Okay?

Beerus one-shotted SSJ3 Goku who was more powerful in Super as he was in King Kai's realm, so his energy didn't get drained like in the real world iirc. He hit him so hard not only did he knock him out of SSJ3(with a light chop to the neck), he knocked him unconscious.

Beerus has casually destroyed planets, on accident. Like he sneezed and killed a planet.

Holding back and fighting with SSJG Goku he nearly destroyed the universe.

Fighting with Champa, a fellow God of Destruction, he was starting to destroy everything around them by simply fighting.

Also, Baby Vegeta doesn't = Vegeta.

All of this is based on maybes and what ifs, while Beerus and Co. have feats to back them up.

For all we know, Baby could have been 0.000000000001 of Beerus.

Also like Ares said, even a somewhat(to what extent is unclear because of his poor eating habits) weaker Champa could have easily killed SSJBKx10 Goku and "F*ck it I'm just gonna get stronger because I feel like it" Hit.

Feats are not in question here, Thor has superior feats to Zarathos, doesn't mean he's more powerful.

I said Baby didn't beat as impressively, but then his power went up x10, at that point his power was no longer a joke.

And that comically long decimal obviously isn't true. If we're using ssj3 goku as a standing point.

Originally posted by Damborgson
That's not how logic works. You blatantly "nu-uhd" right now. What I said isn't wrong based solely on it making baby that powerful.

The burden of proof is on you to prove that Baby is 8% Beerus. Based on actual feats, he is nowhere near that.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Nope. If you want to believe that Beerus could have beaten SSJ Blue Goku, based solely off his statements, then you have to take his percentage statements as fact as well.

Toriyama has stated he has no plans for Goku or Vegeta to surpass Beerus. So no, we don't have to take Beerus at face value.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Feats are not in question here, Thor has superior feats to Zarathos, doesn't mean he's more powerful.

I said Baby didn't beat as impressively, but then his power went up x10, at that point his power was no longer a joke.

And that comically long decimal obviously isn't true. If we're using ssj3 goku as a standing point.

In a forum fight, if Thor has far and away(and he does) have more impressive and higher feats than Zarathos, then yes he is more powerful.

Okay, so Baby beat up SSJ3 Goku, who could actually fight back, yes? Then he went 10x and fought SSJ4 Goku.

Beerus without powering up at all one-shotted SSJ3 Goku(who is more powerful in Super as his body isn't a child normally, and he was in Kai's realm meaning he had no time limit. Hell he blew a hole clean through the planetoid trying to fight Beerus. So if Beerus instantly took out a serious Goku, then took on a version of Goku who at 100% and Beerus 70%(iirc) was threatening to destroy the universe...how is Baby stronger when SSJ4 Gogeta and Omega Shenron didn't threaten nearly as much from their fight? It barely threatened Earth.

Originally posted by ares834
The burden of proof is on you to prove that Baby is 8% Beerus. Based on actual feats, he is nowhere near that.

Toriyama has stated he has no plans for Goku or Vegeta to surpass Beerus. So no, we don't have to take Beerus at face value.

Based on actual feats, Vegeta was no where 10% of Beerus. Yet there he was... I'm being very generous towards the topic, unless you think Baby was no where near Rage Ssj2 Vegeta, despite beating the tar out of Ssj3 Goku.

That's cool, but he's contradicting it in his work. And having no intention does not translate to it being impossible.

And careful with not taking Beerus at gave value, a lot of his feats include statements behind them.

Originally posted by KingD19
In a forum fight, if Thor has far and away(and he does) have more impressive and higher feats than Zarathos, then yes he is more powerful.

Okay, so Baby beat up SSJ3 Goku, who could actually fight back, yes? Then he went 10x and fought SSJ4 Goku.

Beerus without powering up at all one-shotted SSJ3 Goku(who is more powerful in Super as his body isn't a child normally, and he was in Kai's realm meaning he had no time limit. Hell he blew a hole clean through the planetoid trying to fight Beerus. So if Beerus instantly took out a serious Goku, then took on a version of Goku who at 100% and Beerus 70%(iirc) was threatening to destroy the universe...how is Baby stronger when SSJ4 Gogeta and Omega Shenron didn't threaten nearly as much from their fight? It barely threatened Earth.

No, he just has better feats. Beerus has far and away better feats than Vados, doesn't mean a thing.

Are you implying Omega Shenron was barely a planetary threat? So end of GT characters were more or less around Saiyan Saga characters? Collateral damage is not an indication of strength or weakness. See all the times someone stronger than Saiyan Saga Vegeta hit the planet and didn't blow it up.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Based on actual feats, Vegeta was no where 10% of Beerus. Yet there he was... I'm being very generous towards the topic, unless you think Baby was no where near Rage Ssj2 Vegeta, despite beating the tar out of Ssj3 Goku.

If we take the percentages literally, yes, I think Baby is nowhere near Rage SSJ2 Vegeta or any of the other God characters.

Originally posted by Damborgson
That's cool, but he's contradicting it in his work. And having no intention does not translate to it being impossible.

He isn’t contradicting his own work. He says Goku isn't greater than Beerus and the show says the same thing.

Originally posted by Damborgson
And careful with not taking Beerus at gave value, a lot of his feats include statements behind them.

First, his feats are collaborated by the fact that the universe is shaking and we see stars getting destroyed. Beyond that you seemed to have entirely missed my point, Beerus’s statements are contradictory which indicates that either his percentages or him being greater than SSBx10 are bogus. Considering Toriyama’s recent statements it’s clearly the percentages (or they don't work on a linear scale as I've seen others suggest).

Vegeta wasn't even a god at the time. But this isn't interesting anymore, continue with your beliefs.

^ You are not right at all, sorry man.

You guys are scaling all GT characters from the fact that Buu is able to destroy a galaxy. Even with all that math it is does not even come close adding up to universal scale.

I mean hell. Astronomers estimate that there are at least 100 billion galaxies in the observable universe.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Vegeta wasn't even a god at the time.

I never said or even implied otherwise.

Super Saiyan 4 Goku and Vegeta Vs Beerus

YouTube video

😂

Seems like a pretty unrealistic interpretation of the fight tbh.