Ren or Vader; Choose wisely

Note: I actually like Kylo as a character, definitely among the best in canon, complex and interesting with a well crafted arc, good acting and a connection with him as a character I don't have with many.

But he can't touch the original child of Han [Caedus] or Vader, he never could.

I know Kylo's the best of the new characters, but he's just so damn ugly.

Originally posted by RealistRacism
I know Kylo's the best of the new characters, but he's just so damn ugly.

Originally posted by RealistRacism
I know Kylo's the best of the new characters, but he's just so damn ugly.

Im convinced hes actually the incest product of Luke and Leia.

Vader is the chosen one, his accolades and abilities shown across canon film, comics TV shows and games put his feats well beyond Rens at this time

Vader is Starwars.
Kylo is Disney fanfic.

Originally posted by relentless1
Vader is the chosen one, his accolades and abilities shown across canon film, comics TV shows and games put his feats well beyond Rens at this time

Kylo only has one cool showing which was in his first few minutes of screen time. Freezing the blaster bolt after being fired.

But His training is a joke next to Vaders who was rigorously trained for over a decade by the Jedi at their peak.

Vader is stomping in the polls, as 5 of Ren's votes are also trolls.

Vader's superiority is cemented. Long live the King.

I chose wisely.

You chose an autist, who never touched a girl because you see yourself in him?

Originally posted by Psychotron
You chose an autist, who never touched a girl because you see yourself in him?

Definitely Vader.

But Kylo/Ben was far and away the best and most interesting character in the ST.

Originally posted by Galan007
Definitely Vader.

But Kylo/Ben was far and away the best and most interesting character in the ST.

Primarily because there's SO much content surrounding Vader in canon that has advanced his characterization massively(in a good way.)

Flip side, Kylo's overall character-building in the ST took a huge backseat to Rey's. I still like Kylo for sure(he was the ST's only real redeeming quality, imo), but he just didn't get enough limelight for me to put him above Vader as a personal favorite.

Originally posted by Galan007
Primarily because there's SO much content surrounding Vader in canon that has advanced his characterization massively(in a good way.)

Flip side, Kylo's overall character-building in the ST took a huge backseat to Rey's. I still like Kylo for sure(he was the ST's only real redeeming quality, imo), but he just didn't get enough limelight for me to put him above Vader as a personal favorite.

It really was about Ren and Rey. I typically side with the antagonist or the villain so not surprising here.

I thought Kylo would be my favourite character by the end of TROS. But the movie didn't really expand on Kylo that much, he felt kinda less important compared to TLJ/TFA.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Stick to the films only then I know Disney says the books count but I definitely do not think in reality the directors care at all. I know their policy but if it was films only would the answer still be Vader?

It really was about Ren and Rey. I typically side with the antagonist or the villain so not surprising here.

But films only it would still be Vader. I just think his overall characterization was better done in the OT than Kylo's was in the ST.

Yeah, gonna have to agree with everyone else here. I love Kylo, I really do. My favorite character in the ST, easily.

But Vader is just more...iconic? Is that the right word? He leaves such a lasting impression on you with that intimidating voice and daunting figure. He commands respect and exudes power. And he's got the talent to back it up too, since he's pretty much the best at everything.

And that's not even mentioning his emotional journey from desperate jedi to heartless sith.

Kylo, by comparison, just isn't as memorable. He's a great character and all, with a compelling story, personality, etc. But he lacks Vader's...charisma as a villain, let's just say. And his story isn't as emotional, either. Not for me, anyway.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you think touching a girl is amazing then bow down he brought the ***** back to life. That is something not touching a girls skin though Vaders skin had to be protected at all times. If you touched him you might kill the poor thing.

He sacrificed his life to save a girl that beat him up and stole his family legacy. All for a kiss. Total simp move. Vader was a chad who banged the Queen of Naboo and had two badass kids.

Originally posted by Galan007
It's all part of the same canon now. 😛

But films only it would still be Vader. I just think his overall characterization was better done in the OT than Kylo's was in the ST.

Fair enough. Preference is preference no point in arguing.