Tulak Hord vs Exar Kun (Sabers Only)

Ok, so... Kreia states that Tulak Hord is the greatest saber duelist of the ancient sith, right?

By this point, Exar Kun was already described as an ancient sith, and we already have the other powerful ancient sith, such as Ajunta Pall. Karness Muur, Marka Ragnos, and Naga Sadow (but the last two are hardly known for saber prowess).

Do we take Kreia's words to heart?

Or do we rely on Kun's superior feats? (that Kreia should be FULLY aware of, considering her age.)

Meh Kun rapes

Kun wins.

Kun.

Tulak, I guess

Kun.

Actual feats and objective hype and accolades > Subjective lip-service.

Hord isn't any slouch though.

Being able to single-handedly fight his way through 1000 Jedi says a lot, topped with the fact that Kreia was around when Kun was ****ing shit up, she knows full well what Kun is capable of, yet boasts about Hord's abilities openly.

Kun should be able to take this, but I can see Hord winning as well. There's no universe in which Kun wins this easily.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Kun.

Actual feats and objective hype and accolades > Subjective lip-service.

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How the fvck are we supposed to know?

Given that Tulak is explicitly the greatest lightsaber duelist evah by a woman who knows something of both says a bit. That Kun didn't hatemurder a thousand Jedi in physical combat says more.

/debate.

Oh, goodie. Pre-peak Vader is > RotS Yoda as well because Jax said Vader was the most powerful Force user he ever knew, which would include Yoda.

Point is; Traya's opinion is just her opinions, not factual, gospel.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Oh, goodie. Pre-peak Vader is > RotS Yoda as well because Jax said Vader was the most powerful Force user he ever knew, which would include Yoda.

Point is; Traya's opinion is just her opinions, not factual, gospel.

No.

Most people never get to see Yoda in combat.

Whereas what Kun was doing, he advertised his actions and made sure he was known.

Just as what Hord did was well-known, and documented.

You don't get a reputation like that by sitting around and doing nothing.

Based on what we DO know of Hord, what Kreia said doesn't sound that far-fetched, given that anyone who ever talks about him gives him the highest praises.

Raskta Lsu > Sidious confirmed.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Raskta Lsu > Sidious confirmed.

Did Jax ever see Yoda in combat?

We can't say for a fact he hasn't but at very least he sense his power, and know of his exploits and rep in the Jedi Order. With that all in mind, he still felt a Vader that was vastly pre-primed, was superior to Yoda. We all know this is utter hogwash, as Yoda would handily defeat a prime Vader, let alone a "shell of him former self" version.

The rest of your post is rambling, that doesn't have anything to actually do with what I said for the most part.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
We can't say for a fact he hasn't but at very least he sense his power, and know of his exploits and rep in the Jedi Order. With that all in mind, he still felt a Vader that was vastly pre-primed, was superior to Yoda. We all know this is utter hogwash, as Yoda would handily defeat a prime Vader, let alone a "shell of him former self" version.

The rest of your post is rambling, that doesn't have anything to actually do with what I said for the most part.

Luke usually never reveals his true power.

Proof all Jedi hide their power?

And of course Luke does, but that's Luke. He has specifically made note to conceal/hold his power back, because he's afraid of falling to the dark side.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Proof all Jedi hide their power?

And of course Luke does, but that's Luke. He has specifically made note to conceal/hold his power back, because he's afraid of falling to the dark side.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Thats a reference I probably don't get.

She was by all accounts the greatest saber duelist of the Bane Era Sith War. Never lost a duel in any of the battles she faced during the years and years the war dragged on. I'm not sure exactly what he was implying with her except that maybe because of how the description was written of her in the novel and the poor fleshing out of details you could choose to infer certain things about her ability if you were so inclined. Personally from what's written of her she is one of the greatest duelist to ever wreck face and in the thread asking for the greatest not shown in any of the films I put her up there, but that trilogy really lacks in some ways.

Anyway, the problem with Hord is the same as with Kas'im and Lsu: in the end there's not enough detailed context given for his actual prowess. There's no concrete description of any of what he did, only bullet points of it. Maybe one day we'll get some canon novels or new legends that gives a better account.