Tulak Hord vs Exar Kun (Sabers Only)

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Kas'im above Hord????

Wtf...

As a duelist, yes, that's what's said in PoD, that at the time Kas'im is likely the greatest duelist to have ever lived.

Regardless, we have much more in the way of 'expansive' description as to what Kas'im has done than Hord, and even Kas'im isn't really given enough detail to give strong standing for his place in the pantheon of Sith. That's an aside simply used to further the point of this thread: that Hord does not have enough written/shown of him to accurately say where he stands.

That was Bane's opinion. And Bane hasn't seen anyone other than the Academy trainees. Bane was also referring to a technical sense. With respects to innate ability, the third-person perspective of the novel directly states that Bane's strength in the Force gave him the advantage.

Originally posted by Ascendancy
As a duelist, yes, that's what's said in PoD, that at the time Kas'im is likely the greatest duelist to have ever lived.

Regardless, we have much more in the way of 'expansive' description as to what Kas'im has done than Hord, and even Kas'im isn't really given enough detail to give strong standing for his place in the pantheon of Sith. That's an aside simply used to further the point of this thread: that Hord does not have enough written/shown of him to accurately say where he stands.

10/10 KAS'IM BEST DUELIST EVERYBODY!!

The thing is, Kas'im doesn't have anything to back that up with, Tulak, despite never being seen directly, does have the accolades and hype, to put him in the top 10, if not, the top 5.

Eyewitness accounts and such, all the hype from multiple people.

We actually have pages of Kas'im at least doing some actual combat with his sabers. We have nothing but vague speak from Kreia and Val on Hord.

Originally posted by SunRazer
That was Bane's opinion. And Bane hasn't seen anyone other than the Academy trainees. Bane was also referring to a technical sense. With respects to innate ability, the third-person perspective of the novel directly states that Bane's strength in the Force gave him the advantage.

To be fair, Bane also had some decent knowledge on a lot of the ancient Sith at the time. 👆

Not nearly enough to make any sort of call like that, lol. And even then, he was hardly sure of Kas'im's supremacy - he says something to the effect of "best in the galaxy, perhaps ever".

Exar's the greatest duelist from his era probably up until the PT era. So yeah he wins pretty handily.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Not nearly enough to make any sort of call like that, lol. And even then, he was hardly sure of Kas'im's supremacy - he says something to the effect of "best in the galaxy, perhaps ever".

Eh, but for him to think of that despite knowing the hype surrounding Naga Sadow and Revan, I'd say that is a pretty good accolade.

Inaccurate, of course, but pretty good.

Originally posted by MythLord
Eh, but for him to think of that despite knowing the hype surrounding Naga Sadow and Revan, I'd say that is a pretty good accolade.

Inaccurate, of course, but pretty good.

Depends. He appeared to know nothing of Vitiate's Empire, which is where the Sadow hype is. Revan... mostly as a legend, not necessarily as a bladesman.

Originally posted by carthage
Exar's the greatest duelist from his era probably up until the PT era. So yeah he wins pretty handily.

She only states that he's the best of the Ancient Dark Lords, which Kun is exempt from.

Originally posted by SunRazer
She only states that he's the best of the Ancient Dark Lords, which Kun is exempt from.

Not by KotOR II, lol. It's clearly referring to the Dark Lords who were interred on Korriban. Kun was around a mere 45 years before the events of KotOR II. That's hardly ancient.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Not by KotOR II, lol. It's clearly referring to the Dark Lords who were interred on Korriban. Kun was around a mere 45 years before the events of KotOR II. That's hardly ancient.

So yeah, up to that point, Tulak is the best duelist, confirmed by Kreia and Chris Avellone.

Exar.

Oh, and the whole Yn and Chabosh situation? That happened well before his peak, he broke the sieges of Yn single-handedly before he was even close to his full power.