atris vs kylo ren

Originally posted by SunRazer
Firstly, Grievous is far, far stronger than Rey.

Yes of course he is, that's why Shaak was thrown back by it and Kylo wasn't.

Secondly, deflecting the blow bare-handed is better - perhaps far better - than blocking it with a Force shield.

First of all she never deflected anything, just absorbed the momentum of the blade. Secondly, even if she did it why would that be better?

And you seem to have it the other way around. Shaak blocked its cutting power, since she was unharmed, but the kinetic power still affected her, hence she was thrown back.

It's not because she was unharmed that she blocked it's cutting power, she TK-wise stopped the blade from touching her by slowing it's momentum, that's something entirely different.

That said, her Deflection feat would've pertained to the kinetic force of the blow nonetheless - she merely couldn't stop the force of the blow from sending her flying.

Now you're mixing things up, this is just a simple example of Newton's second law of motion. It's the same if you throw a ball (let's name it ball 1) against ball 2 (which is laying still), you'll see that ball 1 is now laying still and ball 2 is on the move because his kinetic energy is transferred from ball 1 to ball 2. This is the same what happened with Shaak, she stopped Grievous his swing from touching her by slowing it down to the point it was still but by doing so (like in the previous mentionend example) all the kinetic energy was transferred from Grievous swing to Shaak Ti and so becuase of that she was thrown back by it, there is no absorbing the lightsaber's cutting power involved since it never even touched her.

PS If you really insist I can write it down in mathematical forumulas 😉

I'll respond later.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
It's not because she was unharmed that she blocked it's cutting power, she TK-wise stopped the blade from touching her by slowing it's momentum, that's something entirely different.

How did Shaak slow the blade's momentum yet was still sent flying? You are making shit up.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
How did Shaak slow the blade's momentum yet was still sent flying? You are making shit up.

She slowed the momentum by absorbing it, a basic example of transfer of momentum. I'm an engineering student going in my third year, I actually know what I'm talking about.

The blade did touch her, lol. You're proving my point. The transfer of momentum (ergo her being sent flying) means that Shaak didn't repel the kinetic energy of the blade, but since her hands weren't scorched, she obviously repelled everything else.

Originally posted by SunRazer
The blade did touch her, lol. You're proving my point. The transfer of momentum (ergo her being sent flying) means that Shaak didn't repel the kinetic energy of the blade, but since her hands weren't scorched, she obviously repelled everything else.

We are talking about the battle on Hypori right? If so the how could the blade touch her hands if it stopped centimeters away from her hands?

Take back what I previously said, it's not entirely wrong but also not right so I'll start over.

We always assumed that the kinetic energy (velocity of the swing) and the cutting power of the lightsaber are not related, so one isn't going to influence to other, however this is wrong. Let's take a very simple, real life, example to explain it, imagine that you want to chop a piece of wood in two. In the first case you are going to swing at it from a vertical position, like you see in TV shows or documentaries. In the second case you'll try to swing at it from a horizontal position. When looking at the results it's quite logical that you did more damage in the first case then in the second because all of the energy produced in the swing of the axe is going to be released on the impact with the wood while in the second case the piece of wood is going to be thrown sideways. So what does this actually prove? Well the cutting power form the axe, or a lightsaber in this thread, is going to be higher if the velocity with which the strikes makes it's impact is higher, logical right?

Let's now translate that to this thread, in Kylo's case all of the energy produced in the swing of the lightsaber is going to be released on it's impact, which means that the cutting power of the lightsaber is at it's highest. When taking a look at the battle of Hypori we see how this isn't the case, Shaak Ti is thrown backwards at a high velocity which evidently means that the kinetic energy released at the impact is only very small and so the cutting power is actually small as well. Of course in Ti's case the maximum amount of cutting power the lightsaber could produce is higher because Grievous is stronger than Rey (he can theoretically swing the lightsaber at a higher velocity etc) but compared to how only a small piece of the kinetic energy is released on it's impact, it's negligible when looking at how Kylo absorbed the full cutting power of the blow.

To summarise my entire comment, Kylo blocked the full cutting power of Rey's swing while Shaak Ti only blocked a small amount (hereby noting that Grievous is stronger than Rey) combined with the fact that Kylo blocked multiple blows and was in a noticeably worse condition than Ti, it's safe to say that Kylo's feat vastly outclasses Shaak's.