Ganthet has been outperformed by Kyle and Kilowog on two occasions (against the Xadai and in the blind instance iirc), he destroys the universe) and containing the quantum singularity. Since then he's stomped Parallax empowered Kilowog, John and Guy (one of whom solo'd the entire JLA), was destroying dozens of GLS in a weakened state until Mogo put him down and beat Kyle w/6 rings all the while withstanding Zamarons' blasts; he's also created an entire color of the emotional spectrum along with sayd
Still I wouldn't place the guardians on the same level as the watchers. Uatu's power level is more towards Odin and Galactus/Celestials on several occasions; since he doesn't interfere much, small details like nullifying Galactus' telepathy, was also owned by a regular GL who was in turn defeated by a rookie GL. But that was pre-Rebirth and he still had pretty impressive showings like surviving entropy (the one that his What If fight, and the Watchers/Celestials war along with various statements and several implications do seem to portray him as such.
Guardians have actually very impressive collective feats but individually id definitely put them below the watchers. Uatu wins here imo.
Originally posted by operator616
Ganthet has been outperformed by Kyle and Kilowog on two occasions (against the Xadai and in the blind instance iirc), he destroys the universe) and containing the quantum singularity. Since then he's stomped Parallax empowered Kilowog, John and Guy (one of whom solo'd the entire JLA), was destroying dozens of GLS in a weakened state until Mogo put him down and beat Kyle w/6 rings all the while withstanding Zamarons' blasts; he's also created an entire color of the emotional spectrum along with saydStill I wouldn't place the guardians on the same level as the watchers. Uatu's power level is more towards Odin and Galactus/Celestials on several occasions; since he doesn't interfere much, small details like nullifying Galactus' telepathy, was also owned by a regular GL who was in turn defeated by a rookie GL. But that was pre-Rebirth and he still had pretty impressive showings like surviving entropy (the one that his What If fight, and the Watchers/Celestials war along with various statements and several implications do seem to portray him as such.
Guardians have actually very impressive collective feats but individually id definitely put them below the watchers. Uatu wins here imo.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
By that token Ganthet is called near Spectre level in power which is beyond Galactus/Celestials or Odin in power.mmm
My post got ****ed up after I edited it for some reason. Here's the correct wording of my post:
Originally posted by operator616
Ganthet has been outperformed by Kyle and Kilowog on two occasions (against the Xadai and in the blind instance iirc), he was also owned by a regular GL who was in turn defeated by a rookie GL. But that was pre-Rebirth and he still had pretty impressive showings like surviving entropy (the one that destroys the universe) and containing the quantum singularity. Since then he's stomped Parallax empowered Kilowog, John and Guy (one of whom solo'd the entire JLA), was destroying dozens of GLS in a weakened state until Mogo put him down and beat Kyle w/6 rings all the while withstanding Zamarons' blasts; he's also created an entire color of the emotional spectrum along with saydStill I wouldn't place the guardians on the same level as the watchers. Uatu's power level is more towards Odin and Galactus/Celestials on several occasions; since he doesn't interfere much, small details like nullifying Galactus' telepathy, his What If fight, and the Watchers/Celestials war along with various statements and several implications do seem to portray him as such.
Guardians have actually very impressive collective feats but individually id definitely put them below the watchers. Uatu wins here imo.
As you can see I didn't just use statements to base my opinion.
Moreover, Ganthet wasn't just called near Spectre's level, rather the spectre's power was implied to be nothing compared to the guardians'. This is obviously a hyperbole and shouldn't be taken seriously.
More importantly though, in Blackest Night, Ganthet said that if he joined the Parallax/Spectre fight he would be obliterated as an afterthought.
Originally posted by operator616👆
My post got ****ed up after I edited it for some reason. Here's the correct wording of my post:As you can see I didn't just use statements to base my opinion.
Moreover, Ganthet wasn't just called near Spectre's level, rather the spectre's power was implied to be nothing compared to the guardians'. This is obviously a hyperbole and shouldn't be taken seriously.
More importantly though, in Blackest Night, Ganthet said that if he joined the Parallax/Spectre fight he would be obliterated as an afterthought.
Originally posted by abhilegendNot based off Uatu's consistent portrayal and power. Frankly, Uatu wins.
Ganthet has beastly feats himself.And in Blackest Night he was called near Spectre level too.
Frankly, him and Sayd creating blue Lantern power battery out of their own power is enough to beat Uatu.
Why not? Saint Walker and one another Blue Lantern turned a red sun into blue sun and reduce its age by 8.6 billion years.
http://i.imgur.com/EMhw4Js.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xMOCPAY.jpg
In comparison, Surfer was explicitly not able to change a sun by his own power and needed extra power from some ships to stabilize the sun for mere 1000 years.
the blue ring's capabilities have been inconsistent, they were first introduced as not having any direct offensive capablitiles. they were capable of supercharging green and depowering yellow along with healing capabilities and the only one that can negate red plasma and curing a red lantern without the user dying, later on however they suddenly developed full blown offensive capabilities, they were creating constructs and shooting energy beams just as easily as the GLs could from what I remember, and after that they also developed the ability to supercharge other colors as well.
However, creating a color of an emotional spectrum isn't necessarily an abstract level feat, since we've seen Atrocitus do that by harnessing the blood of the inversion beings. Also Larfleeze packs the power of the entire orange corps, yet he's in the low skyfather range.
Originally posted by operator616
the blue ring's capabilities have been inconsistent, they were first introduced as not having any direct offensive capablitiles. they were capable of supercharging green and depowering yellow along with healing capabilities and the only one that can negate red plasma and curing a red lantern without the user dying, later on however they suddenly developed full blown offensive capabilities, they were creating constructs and shooting energy beams just as easily as the GLs could from what I remember, and after that they also developed the ability to supercharge other colors as well.However, creating a color of an emotional spectrum isn't necessarily an abstract level feat, since we've seen Atrocitus do that by harnessing the blood of the inversion beings. Also Larfleeze packs the power of the entire orange corps, yet he's in the low skyfather range.
And he rarely uses his full power anyway. That's why his ring can go from 100% to 100000% in an instant.
We have also seen yellow battery capable of destroying entire milky way galaxy. So yes, creating a power battery is absolutely skyfather level.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Atrocitus did by the power of Five Inversions who are galactic level threats and Larfleeze has actually defeated beings who laid waste to an entire universe.And he rarely uses his full power anyway. That's why his ring can go from 100% to 100000% in an instant.
We have also seen yellow battery capable of destroying entire milky way galaxy. So yes, creating a power battery is absolutely skyfather level.
Remind me again what feats do the five inversions have under their belt? I don't recall anything apart from being beaten by the guardians. And yes, Atrocitus harnessed their blood and created the battery, it's not an abstract feat by any means.
Those beings you are talking about -- it was outright stated that it took them millions of years to waste the universe due to the war and it was their entire race who did that, not only those of the house of tuath-dan. Although I must admit that LF was quite impressive in that series. But still let's not forget that he was beaten by sinestro, Hammond and Hal along with the other GLs. He's a low skyfather, above Thanos id say, but not anything more than that.
My whole point is that the power of the corps' varies. The GLC power battery was stated to be able to destroy the whole universe, not just the galaxy. So evidently, not all the batteries are equal.
Originally posted by operator616
Remind me again what feats do the five inversions have under their belt? I don't recall anything apart from being beaten by the guardians. And yes, Atrocitus harnessed their blood and created the battery, it's not an abstract feat by any means.
They conquered entire galaxies and from their power a skyfather level weapon was created.
I mean where do you rank red lanterns? And how powerful is the red Lantern battery?
Those beings you are talking about -- it was outright stated that it took them millions of years to waste the universe due to the war and it was their entire race who did that, not only those of the house of tuath-dan. Although I must admit that LF was quite impressive in that series.
I'm quite sure that's not a feat many skyfathers can replicate.
But still let's not forget that he was beaten by sinestro, Hammond and Hal along with the other GLs. He's a low skyfather, above Thanos id say, but not anything more than that.
And Hal killed Krona by himself and made Nekron his *****.
You're too fixated on the low showings. And it's retconned how he is connected with the battery like Guardians. Not that he is having the entire power of the battery within him all the time.
Heck, Invictus alone was skyfather level and Larfleeze killed his entire race.
My whole point is that the power of the corps' varies. The GLC power battery was stated to be able to destroy the whole universe, not just the galaxy. So evidently, not all the batteries are equal.
And yet, each power in the spectrum is stated to be equal.
And no, a central power battery is at least skyfather level weapon.
Otherwise the respective Lanterns would be like Street level beings.
Originally posted by abhilegend
They conquered entire galaxies and from their power a skyfather level weapon was created.I mean where do you rank red lanterns? And how powerful is the red Lantern battery?
And how exactly was that achieved? I don't recall at all them doing that on panel. It was most likely a statement. Conquering a galaxy instantly and over time are two entirely different things.
In regards to the other corps, it depends. Because the different nature of the emotional spectrum some colors are simply a bad match up against others, most notably a red lantern vs a green lantern because of the red's capabilities to drain GL's when they're in close proximity (even though it has been ignored in some cases, and even if GLs have defeated RLs before). In turn however, a blue ring user would do well against a red ring user (in general) because the blue light can extinguish red, and a combination of blue and green can outright detonate a red ring. Against any other ring users, the red should be quite effective because of their lethal plasma. The battery however, it's unknown how powerful it is, as it hasn't been mentioned from what I recall.
Originally posted by abhilegendI'm quite sure that's not a feat many skyfathers can replicate.
That's debatable. And honestly, individually any skyfather should be more than a match against one of the house, but LF has handled a multidude of them simultaneously and again - it's extremely impressive, not denying that.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And Hal killed Krona by himself and made Nekron his *****.You're too fixated on the low showings. And it's retconned how he is connected with the battery like Guardians. Not that he is having the entire power of the battery within him all the time.
Heck, Invictus alone was skyfather level and Larfleeze killed his entire race.
Hammond tanked his blasts and ate his lantern. Sinestro also handled him quite easily.
Invictus had the power of every angel of the vega system, he was more powerful than the others.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And yet, each power in the spectrum is stated to be equal.And no, a central power battery is at least skyfather level weapon.
Otherwise the respective Lanterns would be like Street level beings.
It's inconsistent. Sinestro has tapped into the power of CPB but got defeated by Hal back in the old days.
It's still extremely impressive though, but unquantifiable. You can't say for sure it's an abstract level feat
Either way, agree to disagree.
Originally posted by operator616Blue Lanterns have always been capable of offensive attacks and whatnot -- they just rarely use their rings in that manner because they are a very peaceful Corps.
the blue ring's capabilities have been inconsistent, they were first introduced as not having any direct offensive capablitiles. they were capable of supercharging green and depowering yellow along with healing capabilities and the only one that can negate red plasma and curing a red lantern without the user dying, later on however they suddenly developed full blown offensive capabilities, they were creating constructs and shooting energy beams just as easily as the GLs could from what I remember
And many of those one-off/esoteric abilities popped-up after Johns' run ended. Same with the Indigo Corps. Seems like other writers deviated from Johns' 'plan' a bit, lol.
