Watcher Vs Ganthet

Originally posted by Galan007
Blue Lanterns have always been capable of offensive attacks and whatnot -- they just rarely use their rings in that manner because they are a very peaceful Corps.

And many of those one-off/esoteric abilities popped-up after Johns' run ended. Same with the Indigo Corps. Seems like other writers deviated from Johns' 'plan' a bit, lol.

Agreed. That and because they need to be in close proximity to a GL to use their offensive capabilities. But I was talking about their capabilities without being in the vicinity of a GL. For instance, when Kyle became a blue lantern he was able to use offensive attacks without being in close proximity to a GL which is contradictory to what has been established. Also when the reach attacked, although that one was more of a revelation than a contradiction. But like you said, other writers deviated.

Originally posted by operator616
And how exactly was that achieved? I don't recall at all them doing that on panel. It was most likely a statement. Conquering a galaxy instantly and over time are two entirely different things.

They were powerful enough to conquer entire galaxy and kill multiple Guardians. Their defeat released

In regards to the other corps, it depends. Because the different nature of the emotional spectrum some colors are simply a bad match up against others, most notably a red lantern vs a green lantern because of the red's capabilities to drain GL's when they're in close proximity (even though it has been ignored in some cases, and even if GLs have defeated RLs before). In turn however, a blue ring user would do well against a red ring user (in general) because the blue light can extinguish red, and a combination of blue and green can outright detonate a red ring. Against any other ring users, the red should be quite effective because of their lethal plasma. The battery however, it's unknown how powerful it is, as it hasn't been mentioned from what I recall.

There are other indicators for their power as well. And they are herald level on average.

That's debatable. And honestly, individually any skyfather should be more than a match against one of the house, but LF has handled a multidude of them simultaneously and again - it's extremely impressive, not denying that.

Nope, not debatable.

And yes, its impressive.

Hammond tanked his blasts and ate his lantern. Sinestro also handled him quite easily.

False. Hammond was amped by Krona to seek out the Ophidian. Johns has a hardon for Sinestro anyway.

Invictus had the power of every angel of the vega system, he was more powerful than the others.

Larf defeated him at the height of his power.

http://i.imgur.com/8BPBf8r.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gaHyoEG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/oEcJEIL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/oACZBhR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TmhkkmT.jpg

It's inconsistent. Sinestro has tapped into the power of CPB but got defeated by Hal back in the old days.

Wrong. It was Old Timer's power which allowed Hal to defeat Sinestro and the battery would've destroyed universe in that issue.

It's still extremely impressive though, but unquantifiable. You can't say for sure it's an abstract level feat

I'm saying its a skyfather level feat.

Either way, agree to disagree.

Ok.

Originally posted by abhilegend

There are other indicators for their power as well. And they are herald level on average.

Seems about right, I thought you were asking their ranking in regards to the other corps.

Originally posted by abhilegend
False. Hammond was amped by Krona to seek out the Ophidian. Johns has a hardon for Sinestro anyway.

Krona merely helped him escape captivity. I don't recall him being amped. Scan?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Larf defeated him at the height of his power.

http://i.imgur.com/8BPBf8r.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gaHyoEG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/oEcJEIL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/oACZBhR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TmhkkmT.jpg

That's beside the point. You were the one who said that Larfleeze killed Invictus' entire race, and Invictus alone was skyfather, thereby implying that Larfleeze killed an entire race of skyafthers.

My response was that Invictus was far more powerful than the others since he had their combined power.

http://imgur.com/xPq1ztw

So he didn't kill a race of skyfathers. That was my point.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Wrong. It was Old Timer's power which allowed Hal to defeat Sinestro and the battery would've destroyed universe in that issue.

You're the one who's wrong. OT merely restored Hal back to health after which he defeated Sinestro single-handedly.

http://imgur.com/ERQBPFq
http://imgur.com/2Z4rDNi
http://imgur.com/NiuN8sv

Agreed on the second part, ive always considered CPB as universal level. In a later instance, Hal has referred to it as a contained universe of photonic power. Also in a GL one-shot it was stated that the CPB houses the "universal will" which brought everything into existence.

Originally posted by operator616
Agreed on the second part, ive always considered CPB as universal level. In a later instance, Hal has referred to it as a contained universe of photonic power. Also in a GL one-shot it was stated that the CPB houses the "universal will" which brought everything into existence.

Originally posted by Galan007
That was also one of the key elements behind Will World:
http://i.imgur.com/d8fVTva.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Dd0ENJ5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/R4pGxpr.jpg

Yeah, Willworld is the one which I was referring to.

Originally posted by operator616
Yeah, Willworld is the one which I was referring to.

Excellent read.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Klaw beat him during that time too.

Quit lowballing. It's beneath u

Originally posted by operator616
Seems about right, I thought you were asking their ranking in regards to the other corps.

Ok.

Krona merely helped him escape captivity. I don't recall him being amped. Scan?

He had been amped as well. Hammond wasn't able to even take Hal's blasts under Johns and Larf was shown quite above him.

That's beside the point. You were the one who said that Larfleeze killed Invictus' entire race, and Invictus alone was skyfather, thereby implying that Larfleeze killed an entire race of skyafthers.

I never implied anything like that.

My response was that Invictus was far more powerful than the others since he had their combined power.

http://imgur.com/xPq1ztw

So he didn't kill a race of skyfathers. That was my point.

Ok. Defeating Invictus is skyfather level though.

You're the one who's wrong. OT merely restored Hal back to health after which he defeated Sinestro single-handedly.

http://imgur.com/ERQBPFq
http://imgur.com/2Z4rDNi
http://imgur.com/NiuN8sv

Wut? He gave Hal a portion of his power and said that he will be renewed and recharged.

Not that he was just at full power. And he defeated Sinestro by absorbing all the power from CPB and not defeating sinestro straight up.

Agreed on the second part, ive always considered CPB as universal level. In a later instance, Hal has referred to it as a contained universe of photonic power. Also in a GL one-shot it was stated that the CPB houses the "universal will" which brought everything into existence.

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So Guardians are skyfathers alright. High one at that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why not? Saint Walker and one another Blue Lantern turned a red sun into blue sun and reduce its age by 8.6 billion years.
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Space cheese though, amirite? How do their fight feats compare?