Originally posted by SunRazer
For the final time, I'm referring to this:And before you say it, yes, I know Palpatine's prediction in the last part of the quote was wrong.
That doesn't per-se prove he was hindered to a profound degree, either.
Hardly a problem for Obi-Wan, considering that he's better than Krayt, too.
@Warehouse; Nah, trouncing one of the greatest masters in the Jedi Order with "nigh unparalleled skill" > trouncing a bunch of fodder.
I'm not saying Krayt wins but the arguments weigh heavily in his favor, especially with Anakin's "hinderance".
Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Ventress or Grievous > Some Emperors Gaurds
Ok. "Some" imperial guards (4 Emperor's personal guards)>ventress or grievous. Since we're just throwing out opinions I guess I'll join in.
They were guarding a decoy, not the real thing. And the fact that they were never hyped up as anything special, just the equivalents of Jedi Knights with good gear, means they're fodder.Cin at least has some pretty decent hype, and Anakin trounced him while choking a b!tch.
Edit: Strike that. Obiwan defeated an allegedly "hindered" Anakin, while knowing his techniques inside and out, and benefitting from Anakin's stupid hail mary move at the end. That about does it?
Tbh though Ventress and Grievous are superior to those Imperial Guards.
Ventress fought 4 Jedi MASTERS killing one of them early on and then casually stalemating the other 3 leaping over their heads, through their ranks and just demonstrating general superiority to the entire group. She then proceeds to fight Mace afterwards forcing him to use all his skill to drive her off. She also duels both Anakin and Obi Wan simultaneously often enough that it's a commonplace event for the three of them.
Grievous whilst hindered stalemated Mace and then proceeded to absolutely trash 4 Jedi simultaneously with contemptuous ease.
Originally posted by Deronn_soloMy point is that he was conflicted on Mustafar because of what he did during Operation Knightfall, it therefore makes sense he would be conflicted in the act of doing the deed.
Yeah, he was obviously hindered on Mustafar. I meant evidence he was during Operation Knightfall. I hear conflicting opinions regarding his state of mind there.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
They were still the Emperor's personal guards that didn't need hyping up. A "regular" imperial knight was considered a match for a fully trained Jedi. These are his personal guards. There were 4 of them and Krayt took them down easily.
Then again, why are we mentioning Anakin's win when he was clearly "hindered" against the likes of Obiwan, making Obiwan's feat less impressive?Edit: Strike that. Obiwan defeated an allegedly "hindered" Anakin, while knowing his techniques inside and out, and benefitting from Anakin's stupid hail mary move at the end. That about does it?
Read carefully: They were not the Emperor's official royal guard; they were just putting on an act and pretending a decoy.
And Obi-Wan has more than just defeating Anakin, but this Anakin still has feats that rival Krayt's own. And Skywalker knows Kenobi's moves inside-out, as well, so it cancels out.
Originally posted by MythLord
Read carefully: They were not the Emperor's official royal guard; they were just putting on an act and pretending a decoy.And Obi-Wan has more than just defeating Anakin, but this Anakin still has feats that rival Krayt's own. And Skywalker knows Kenobi's moves inside-out, as well, so it cancels out.
IIRC they were his official guard, that's why the decoy wasn't obvious to the sith since it looked official. As far as what Anakin knows, obiwan fought a defensive battle against anakin so I'm not sure what your point is. That Anakin knows how to defend? At the end, anakin is both hindrance as well as his ill fated attempts at flying ala MJ netted obiwan a victory. I know obiwan has more than defeating anakin because that wasn't super impressive but he's not getting through krayt's defenses. If he wins, it will be a drawn out battle putting him on the defensive and wearing krayt out.
Originally posted by MS Warehouse
IIRC they were his official guard, that's why the decoy wasn't obvious to the sith since it looked official. As far as what Anakin knows, obiwan fought a defensive battle against anakin so I'm not sure what your point is. That Anakin knows how to defend? At the end, anakin is both hindrance as well as his ill fated attempts at flying ala MJ netted obiwan a victory. I know obiwan has more than defeating anakin because that wasn't super impressive but he's not getting through krayt's defenses. If he wins, it will be a drawn out battle putting him on the defensive and wearing krayt out.
They looked like they were, but they were just Knights guarding a decoy.
Anakin fought alongside Kenobi several times, and knows both his defensive techniques weaknesses, and offensive techniques weaknesses, like the back of his hand. His mental fortitude lessened so he couldn't abuse it as well as Kenobi, but stalemating someone who fodderizes Drallig and can easily collapse and rip apart massive statues is a fairly good feat, I'd say.
And conversly, Krayt isn't scratching Kenobi with anything other than unarmed strikes, which Obi-Wan can deal with. So really, it'll be an impasse, of sorts, until Krayt tires or Kenobi takes the initiative and slices him up.
Where does it state that the knights guarding a decoy were also decoys?
And while it's possible krayt can't break obiwans defenses (although its very likely after another century of experience despite obviously not literally practicing lightsaber drills for said century), it's unlikely obiwan gets through krayt's defenses as well and will have to rely on stamina for a victory.