Originally posted by celeyhyga17
So you went from Hulk "not having dynamic strength in that era" to Hulk "dynamic strength wasn't commonly used ability during that era". Which is it? I want to see how far you walk this claim back. Plus where's the proof? Abhi is hardly a viable source for proof.
It wasn't a commonly known ability back then and I'm not using ABHI as a reference for this either.
Originally posted by leonidas
superman? 😑😆
are you kidding me....? THAT is the "agenda" you so cleverly sniffed out? 😂
and i love how you say hulk has always been stronger than thor, but say in the same instant thor can hang with anyone.... do you even know the history of the characters?? lol for DECADES it was a question in marvel and asked in comics who was the stronger. recent depictions and your denial don't change that fact in the slightest. it was a question partly because of scenes like this:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/9/98379/2070381-3a3a071a9d58c8738618bff9.jpg
so in all those defenders issues he never got stronger?? lol yeah, right. 👆
anyway, given your detective skills and your obvious ability to ferret out agendas, it's not surprising your take on this issue. scans coming when i get the chance,
I have the nose of a tiger Leo. Trust me, I know bro, I know.
He has always been stronger than Thor. Hell, back then he was referenced (and still is) as the most powerful being on the planet. I know versatility had little to no reason to be the cause of that.
Originally posted by carver9
It wasn't a commonly known ability back then and I'm not using ABHI as a reference for this either.
Your stance is highly dubious considering Hulk is synonymous with having dynamic strength no matter what era. If Superman fought someone and he didn't use heat vision,is the claim that Superman did not have hv during that era viable?
Originally posted by The Sorrow
I have seen the writer state he didn't consider Hulks dynamic strength during that scene, and that it was purely him viewing Hulk and Thor as strength (and stamina) peers in that moment. Not Hulks "ever increasing strength" and against Thors.
Btw that supposed statement doesn't actually help Hulk's case here.. That actually is worse for him considering that the writer as you claim didn't even consider his "dynamic strength" and basically put both of them on equal footing when it comes to strength/stamina.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
I have seen the writer state he didn't consider Hulks dynamic strength during that scene, and that it was purely him viewing Hulk and Thor as strength (and stamina) peers in that moment. Not Hulks "ever increasing strength" and against Thors.
ODG posted it a while back but I can't find the link.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Did his dynamic strength disappear during "that era"?Btw that supposed statement doesn't actually help Hulk's case here.. That actually is worse for him considering that the writer as you claim didn't even consider his "dynamic strength" and basically put both of them on equal footing when it comes to strength/stamina.
How does that hurt Hulk if he was able to stalemate Thor for hours without using his amping capabilities?
Originally posted by Sin I AM
If hulk has dynamic strength how does he ever get stalemated? Not saying he doesn't mind u...jus curious
Thor keeps trying harder and harder.
But realistically Hulk's strength would be up and down.
It's impossible to get angrier infinitely. At some point your anger abates or you suffer some sort of breakdown.
This, to me, has always been the greatest lie that Hulk maniacs tend to tell themselves. The Hulk doesn't get stronger as he gets angrier, no, he is inifinitely strong.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Thor keeps trying harder and harder.But realistically Hulk's strength would be up and down.
It's impossible to get angrier infinitely. At some point your anger abates or you suffer some sort of breakdown.
This, to me, has always been the greatest lie that Hulk maniacs tend to tell themselves. The Hulk doesn't get stronger as he gets angrier, no, he is inifinitely strong.
Good post...i honestly dont mind the dynamic thing. It actually makes him a contender against those with varied power sets. I just dont like the whole infinite thing. It doesnt make sense even given the fan service of HOTM. But then again this is comics a gls willpower can do wonderous things so i dont see y anger cant be as constant.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Good post...i honestly dont mind the dynamic thing. It actually makes him a contender against those with varied power sets. I just dont like the whole infinite thing. It doesnt make sense even given the fan service of HOTM. But then again this is comics a gls willpower can do wonderous things so i dont see y anger cant be as constant.
I liked the approach in Planet Hulk where, as I understood it, meditation helped him retain his anger. It felt like a natural evolution for the character.
But then we ended up with the shitfest that was WWH, and it kept getting worse and worse.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Good post...i honestly dont mind the dynamic thing. It actually makes him a contender against those with varied power sets. I just dont like the whole infinite thing. It doesnt make sense even given the fan service of HOTM. But then again this is comics a gls willpower can do wonderous things so i dont see y anger cant be as constant.
It has been outright said in comics that Hulk anger is limitless along with his strength. It's comics so things like this might not be accepted in real world but again, this is comics.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Did his dynamic strength disappear during "that era"?Btw that supposed statement doesn't actually help Hulk's case here.. That actually is worse for him considering that the writer as you claim didn't even consider his "dynamic strength" and basically put both of them on equal footing when it comes to strength/stamina.
From Hero Envy:
I personally asked writer Steve Englehart about this historic issue and he told me this;
“I just found them both to have a claim on "strongest thing around," and couldn't decide for myself who was stronger, so I went with "not proven."
Not the exact quote I read but it was obviously a long time ago and with a quick search that's what I could find. Based on that extract he clearly couldn't decide who he felt was stronger so had them stalemate as many writers have, but no mention of Hulks amping. Even in the book itself iirc there was never any mention of Hulk growing stronger/amping/madder=stronger etc so imo it was not a factor.
It wouldn't make any sense for Thor able to match Hulks constantly growing strength for so long, with no mention or emphasis on Thor somehow being to match Hulks strength. Compare to their fight in Thor 385 and LTBB where Hulk actually becomes stronger with rage and proceeds to overpower/dominate Thor.
Originally posted by krisblaze
I liked the approach in Planet Hulk where, as I understood it, meditation helped him retain his anger. It felt like a natural evolution for the character.But then we ended up with the shitfest that was WWH, and it kept getting worse and worse.
Yea it was briefly explored in the live action with Norton hulk. I thought that was some damn good research. It's always cool to see him going all out. Splash pages are what drives revenue these days. But it's nothing like character development and a fluent plot. Which seperates events from good stories.
But on topic though. Billy has consistently been portrayed as a peer to Clark. Dont want to make this a superman thread but it is what it is. He has the feats to compete especially when he doesn't have to power share. He's also a character who rarely ever "cuts loose". Add in AM (whose being lowballed to non existence in this thread) they should take a solid majority
Originally posted by carver9
It has been outright said in comics that Hulk anger is limitless along with his strength. It's comics so things like this might not be accepted in real world but again, this is comics.
You should know by now that "limitless" should be taken with a grain of salt. Everyone from Iceman to Ryu has limitless potential.
S/n i was actually making an argument FOR hulk fyi
