Originally posted by carver9
Billy is good but he doesn't have the fts to say he would beat Hulk. Hulk at this point is the hardest puncher is comics and it has been consistent. Right now, during the new Era, it has been consistently mentioned that Hulk IS the most powerful being on the planet and he is.
Wayment. Billy dont have the feats? If this way Nu Billy id cede but golem said old Billy. I know youre not saying hes not on hulks level?
Originally posted by carver9
Billy is good but he doesn't have the fts to say he would beat Hulk. Hulk at this point is the hardest puncher is comics and it has been consistent. Right now, during the new Era, it has been consistently mentioned that Hulk IS the most powerful being on the planet and he is.
Marvel's battles with Superman and Captain Marvel prove he would DECIMATE the Hulk!!!
Originally posted by golem370
No bfr.
Aquaman gets 3 shoted, maybe 2 shoted. After that, Hulk vs. Billy turns into one of the best fights in comics history. Billy has a hard time putting the finishing moves on top tiers, so I'm leaning with Hulk on a very close fight.
Hulks just hard to beat, especially if he goes shit crazy.
Originally posted by Facee
Aquaman gets 3 shoted, maybe 2 shoted. After that, Hulk vs. Billy turns into one of the best fights in comics history. Billy has a hard time putting the finishing moves on top tiers, so I'm leaning with Hulk on a very close fight.Hulks just hard to beat, especially if he goes shit crazy.
YOUR IGNORANCE IS ONLY EXCEDED BY YOUR UGLINESS!!!
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Captain Marvel has fought Superman and remained conscious after each encounter.Banner fought Superman on 2 occasions and was .........
[B]KNOCKED OUT!!!!!!
[/B]
What two occasions was that? Pre Crisis, which is no longer canon, and hasn't been officially so since the Byrne era. And Merged Hulk? Wonder Man put the moves on Merged Hulk, as did a few other light weights in his later showings. The Hulk has gotten a lot stronger. It was after all his body that was pushed to be strong enough to rip adamantium netting like tissue paper. The Hulk can, and has brought it up, however it was always when another power or situation permited for him to reach his highs. In a forum match, he would not have to keep his power level in check, because this is actually a character that could destroy planets if his core personality were to be replaced, or appeased. When I say appeased, what I mean is that if the Hulk under optimal conditions (healthy, etc) is aware that no innocents are in harms way, and he is free to pour it on, he has the power to destroy entire planets as large or larger than the Earth to dust. When has CM ever shown that kind of power. I mean sure, I've seen him catch an aircraft carrier that an Eclipsed Superman threw at him with minimum difficulty, but how can you begin to compare that to punches that shake the planet? Sorry but that is why I'm mentioning that this is neutral territory.
Originally posted by Stoic
What two occasions was that? Pre Crisis, which is no longer canon, and hasn't been officially so since the Byrne era. And Merged Hulk? Wonder Man put the moves on Merged Hulk, as did a few other light weights in his later showings. The Hulk has gotten a lot stronger. It was after all his body that was pushed to be strong enough to rip adamantium netting like tissue paper. The Hulk can, and has brought it up, however it was always when another power or situation permited for him to reach his highs. In a forum match, he would not have to keep his power level in check, because this is actually a character that could destroy planets if his core personality were to be replaced, or appeased. When I say appeased, what I mean is that if the Hulk under optimal conditions (healthy, etc) is aware that no innocents are in harms way, and he is free to pour it on, he has the power to destroy entire planets as large or larger than the Earth to dust. When has CM ever shown that kind of power. I mean sure, I've seen him catch an aircraft carrier that an Eclipsed Superman threw at him with minimum difficulty, but how can you begin to compare that to punches that shake the planet? Sorry but that is why I'm mentioning that this is neutral territory.
Marvel would land a myriad of punches before Banner can react. If Hulk withstands the initial onslaught there is still Marvel's flight, lightning strikes, and superior fighting ability that would allow him to outlast the Hulk.
Originally posted by carver9
LOL... that doesn't mean he can beat the Hulk though.
Here is proof of my argument.
Superman exists on ALL planes of existence!
Here he is in the Marvel Universe with a SLIGHTLY altered appearance!
BEHOLD!!!!!!!!
Superman(Known here as SUNGOD) ANNIHILATING The Hulk!
I now DEMAND your concession that Marvel wins!!!!!
Originally posted by carver9
Wait a minute. Were you expecting Hulk to kill Thor because as stated on so many of occasions... Banner prevents Hulk from doing things like that so what youre expecting just will not happen. He beat Thor until he was blue in the face. Cant recall anything similar like that happening. You thinking Hulk was suppose to rip him in half doesn't take away from Hulk dynamic showing against Thor. Thats like me saying Thor and a angry Celestial is equals due to Thor still being physically able to fight back, even after the Celestial dished everything he had at him. Thats not a low showing for either the Celestial or Hulk, its a high showing for Thor.
lol yeah, not the same thing....hulk and thor have fought LOADS of times, and the question of who is stronger has been an eternal one at marvel. and it completely detracts from your 'dynamic showing'. he wasn't strong enough to ko thor after multiple unprotected blows while raging at him...don't think he was thinking--uh-oh, gotta be careful and not get TOO mad here....lol really? calling PIS? good lord. it's simply not a good showing of what i asked for. still a good showing for hulk--not what i asked for.
😂 you can post Thor stalemating Hulk for hours if you want too but when you post that scan, make sure you type right beside it Hulk not having dynamic strength during that era. Everyone knows this... hell, ABHI even knows this.
well, that's a revelation that i need to see proof of. 👆
LOL... a nobody? That doesn't take away from it happening.
true, which is why i said it was good.
Tony hits during the beginning, Hulk wasn't brushing them off. After this, Ironman amps up further and Hulk walks through it. Yes, the showing is legit.
legit in your mind? i agree. not in mine.
The thousand fights Hulk has had, he grew stronger in all of them. I see no reason along with the writer doesn't see a reason to announce this in every fight when everyone and their grandma knows Hulk capabilities. [/B]
writers don't have to say it--they just have to clearly show it in the story.
Originally posted by carver9
Question Leo...Whos stronger, WWH or Savage Hulk (can you please explain why you chose your answer)?
Whos stronger, Mindless Hulk or Professor Hulk?
Whos stronger, WBH or WWH?
😂
the question is obviously loaded, but it's also worded incorrectly--it's also not relevant to what i was looking for. the question should be who has better feats, wwh or savage, and clearly savage/incredible has far and away better feats. savage also has better feats than mindless who burned out pretty quick. wbh has the best feat of them all, but is still just hulk who is more angry. now you're like--AH--HAH!! lol the question wasn't does hulk get stronger as he gets angrier--the question was does his strength in fights grow to the point where he just dwarfs opponents. totally different. your samson scan is a good one. i've noticed MOST of the really good ones are from a LONG time ago though.....classics like samson and abomination, that u-foes scan....all old stuff. and given the thousands of fights you say hulk has had, precious few seem to have him clearly surpassing an opponent in strength at the end of a fight--certainly he doesn't just dwarf opponents, and seemingly it happens even less in more recent times (now he just starts as the strongest).
i guess when i get the time i'll post an equal number of fights that show hulk seemingly NOT increasing his strength much from the start to the end, and i'll show a bunch of fights where he is clearly NOT a lot stronger than an opponent.
@ stoic--you could be right if we're talking the most recent banner (though he did have his lights punched out by sun god, and titannus ko'd him with a shot as well.... his durability IS a huge factor in this though. still, i could show a couple scans of lightning (from thor and storm even) doing really bad things to hulk. bad enough that i could easily see a couple huge bolts being enough to ko or nearly take him out. close enough that marvel could end him with changed punches or a blitz or huge blows. i don't see CM vs hulk as anything but close.
as for my original question: it seems there are times (carv showed a few\0 where it can be seen he gets stronger than an opponent--but RARELY does he far surpass a foe, to the point where he just easily overwhelms him. i really don't see that happening against CM, whose other powers (speed and magic) would still be enough to counter whatever strength edge hulk would gain.
oh and carver--wtf are you talking about when you say i have an agenda? 😂 my only agenda is to find proof of a very common belief that is rarely proven by anyone. you've shown some proof. enough to say he will simply grow far stronger than anyone he fights and overwhelm them in the end? not imo. but i'm only one guy. agenda? you're hilarious is you think i care about this stuff enough to have an agenda--whatever the hell it might even be. lol
Leo, PIS happens in comics, and I'm not one to immediately scream PIS on the drop of a dime, but when you have certain popular characters stalemating Thor or giving him a rough time, and then the Hulk comes in and overpowers them, PIS and CIS may certainly have something to do with it. Look at how each did against Gladiator for example. Whenever it comes to the Hulk as well, the people reading the comic should always realize that CIS really plays a part when it comes to his level of strength at any given time. CIS applies to all characters, but in the Hulk's case it becomes directly linked to how foul, or fair his mood has been over the years (which directly links to his strength level), he;s held himself in check many times as to not accidentally wind up killing everyone on the continent due to one of his meltdowns. Again this is neutral space, which allows him to take off the kids gloves. If I'm off the mark, why is it that he was exiled to Sakaar in the first place?
You're wondering when he has shown strength increases, and I'm surprised by this, because there are numerous showing of him doing so in his respect thread alone. As I mentioned, he came in fighting Annihilus amped up on his own power. Now Anni rated in as a physical threat to Thanos who would maul this team. Anni also took Gladiator out like he was a light weight, and Gladiator can hold Thor for a good while if not win against him on any given day. Anni was unable to KO the Hulk, which shows you that the Hulk rose in power. I mean, I don't think that you need the writer to tell you how much his strength increased every time it increased during every fight that he has had right? You just know, because it's one of his abilities, that can be played with based on plot setting.
when plot allowed, the Hulk has exceeded Captain Marvel's strength level, by leaps and bounds. bringing Superman into this is pointless, because he drastically holds back as well. Imagine if Superman went all out on Captain Marvel like he was able to during OWAW. It wasn't ever about Superman, or the Hulk taking it up to those levels, but more about their willingness to. So once again, I'd like to remind everyone that this is neutral territory.
@Leo
I...already...gave...you...examples...Leo...
An android that was 3 times as powerful as Thor was stalemating Hulk until Hulk got passed and punched his head off.
Onslaught was fighting evenly against Hulk until Hulk got pissed and punched him so hard that Onslaught body was turned into dust.
Genis dropped Hulk with a single blast. Tried the same thing again with a more powerful blast but Hulk gets 10 times as mad and tanks Genis blast and curb stomps him?
Just look at Hulk fights man.
Also, lol at you saying Savage Hulk is more powerful than WWH due to fts. It's obvious you are dodging or trooooooooo...
Anyways, WWH is far more powerful than Savage due to anger.
WBH is far more powerful than Mindless Hulk due to anger.
Mindless Hulk is far more powerful than Grey Hulk due to anger.
