Luke Skywalker runs the Ancient Sith Gauntlet

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Jmanghan Senior Member

Originally posted by Azronger
What do any of those guys have that could even touch Luke? He butchers them in saber combat and ragdolls them with TK.
Karness Muur is solidly above Vong Krayt, and is at least equal to 19BBY Vader, Ajunta Pall is above Karness Muur, Naga Sadow is above both of them, Tulak Hord is above Naga Sadow, and Marka Ragnos is the most powerful of the Ancients, unless you throw in Exar Kun.

Freedon Nadd has some pretty impressive feats on his own, but he got beaten pretty quickly by Kun IIRC.

Jmanghan Senior Member

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Full Power Abeloth? No, lol.

Anyway, Luke clears, if he is serious.

The Father in his prime would find all 8 people at the same time challenging.

chingchangwalla Restricted

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Uh, Nadd is one of, if not the weakest Ancient Sith Lord, and thats with all his impressive feats AND accolades already in mind.

Not really. Ragnos doesn't have any feats apart from defeating Simus in combat. At least Nadd has some decent force feats as a Spirit.

Azronger Azronger Reborn

Luke's Force defenses allow him to defend against anything anyone here can throw at him. His black hole level TK will crush anyone instantly, and his speed is too much for anyone to contend with him. We have seen even relative scrubs like Lord Hoth take on dozens of Force wielders at once. Numbers aren't gonna matter if everyone of the opponents is going to die in seconds.

Ursumeles Traitor

Originally posted by Jmanghan
The Father in his prime would find all 8 people at the same time challenging.

Lol. The guy, who is stronger than Universe-Busters? I am not seeing it.
And imo is Nadd >Sadow, and potentially stronger are only Pall, Syn and Ragnos. Definietly Kun, tho.

Azronger Azronger Reborn

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Karness Muur is solidly above Vong Krayt, and is at least equal to 19BBY Vader, Ajunta Pall is above Karness Muur, Naga Sadow is above both of them, Tulak Hord is above Naga Sadow, and Marka Ragnos is the most powerful of the Ancients, unless you throw in Exar Kun.

Freedon Nadd has some pretty impressive feats on his own, but he got beaten pretty quickly by Kun IIRC.

Not only are those ranking wrong, they prove absolutely nothing. Feats please.

MS Warehouse Senior Member

Nadd is actually one of the strongest sith lords. Sources do state that when her arrived on Yavin IV, he performed much better against the Massassi than Kun did, and they were pretty much at the same level at that point. His holocron took 10 years to study. The guy is a goddamn trove of sith knowledge. Also conquering a backwards planet singlehandedly is pretty cool.

Anyways, Luke ragdolls virtually nobody but he wins each fight.

That proves absolutely nothing. Feats please.

The onus is on you to prove Luke ragdolls everybody.

chingchangwalla Restricted

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Nadd has some pretty impressive feats on his own, but he got beaten pretty quickly by Kun IIRC.

You must look at context though. Nadd wasn't exactly expecting Kun to do this, plus he was in a weakened state and Kun used a powerful, fully charged Amulet blast to banish him.

chingchangwalla Restricted
Originally posted by Ursumeles
Lol. The guy, who is stronger than Universe-Busters? I am not seeing it.
And imo is Nadd >Sadow, and potentially stronger are only Pall, Syn and Ragnos. Definietly Kun, tho.

Kun is confirmed to be the Most Powerful Sith of his Lineage, which includes Nadd so no.

MS Warehouse Senior Member
Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Kun is confirmed to be the Most Powerful Sith of his Lineage, which includes Nadd so no.

What lineage?

chingchangwalla Restricted

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
What lineage?

Just look for the quote in ILS' Kun respect thread, I'm pretty sure it's in there.

Ursumeles Traitor

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Kun is confirmed to be the Most Powerful Sith of his Lineage, which includes Nadd so no.

I meant that Kun is definietly >Nadd.

chingchangwalla Restricted

Originally posted by Ursumeles
I meant that Kun is definietly >Nadd.

My Mistake 👆

Jmanghan Senior Member

Originally posted by Azronger
Not only are those ranking wrong, they prove absolutely nothing. Feats please.
Screw feats.

They aren't wrong.

Muur has already beaten Krayt, and Vader thought Muur could replace Sidious as his master.

Ajunta Pall was stated to be better then Karness Muur, Naga Sadow is close to Tulak Hord's level, Tulak Hord nips at the heels of Ragnos, who was outright stated multiple times to be the greatest of the Ancients.

Jmanghan Senior Member

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Lol. The guy, who is stronger than Universe-Busters? I am not seeing it.
And imo is Nadd >Sadow, and potentially stronger are only Pall, Syn and Ragnos. Definietly Kun, tho.
Where does it say that The Father is a universe Buster?

It says if The Ones were to ever clash, the universe would cease to exist, nowhere is it said that The Father is a universe buster.

That would make Full-Potential Anakin a Universe Buster as well, then, wouldn't it?

Azronger Azronger Reborn

Nobody here has defended against black hole level TK. Against other Force wielders, Luke has pinned Darth Caedus to a chair without even gesturing and held him there with no effort at all.

In dueling, he has outperformed the Reborn Emperor while dueling at speeds so great even Leia - who ran the length of ten miles while battling Imperials in a fraction of a second - couldn't see them.

I don't understand how anyone here is resisting his TK or reacting to his lightsaber moves.

Ursumeles Traitor

Not Universe Buster then, but they could destroy the Universe.
An IIRC weakened Abeloth has destroyed the Sinkhole Station. She would smash the Ancients like bugs.

MS Warehouse Senior Member

Nobody here has defended against black hole level TK. Against other Force wielders, Luke has pinned Darth Caedus to a chair without even gesturing and held him there with no effort at all.

Great, a black hole TK is combat applicable how? Luke's showings are inconsistent because of his constant self doubt. He does well against Caedus, then has trouble against someone like Lumiya.

In dueling, he has outperformed the Reborn Emperor while dueling at speeds so great even Leia - who ran the length of ten miles while battling Imperials in a fraction of a second - couldn't see them.

He was losing until he got Leia's help.

I don't understand how anyone here is resisting his TK or reacting to his lightsaber moves.

Because it assumes he can just brush off any attack (even the majority that are unknown to him), while attacking without effort. Both scenarios would be incorrect.

Jmanghan Senior Member

Originally posted by Azronger
Nobody here has defended against black hole level TK. Against other Force wielders, Luke has pinned Darth Caedus to a chair without even gesturing and held him there with no effort at all.

In dueling, he has outperformed the Reborn Emperor while dueling at speeds so great even Leia - who ran the length of ten miles while battling Imperials in a fraction of a second - couldn't see them.

I don't understand how anyone here is resisting his TK or reacting to his lightsaber moves.

Pinning someone down can't kill them.

There's also the fact that Caedus wasn't trying to fight back, I'm not saying it would have done him any good, but Luke wouldn't have been able to do it as effortlessly as he did.

MythLord Diamond
Originally posted by Azronger
In dueling, he has outperformed the Reborn Emperor while dueling at speeds so great even Leia - who ran the length of ten miles while battling Imperials in a fraction of a second - couldn't see them.

Leia has better feats, tbh, like piloting ships at lightspeed(thus demonstrating LS reflexes) before she knew what precog was.