Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Great, a black hole TK is combat applicable how? Luke's showings are inconsistent because of his constant self doubt. He does well against Caedus, then has trouble against someone like Lumiya.
Even if it required prep, the fact that Luke can do it in the first place means even his standard TK is still going to be insane. Just ask Caedus.
I'm assuming this is Luke at his peak performance, not hindered by PIS.
He was losing until he got Leia's help.
Yeah, he was being mentally dominated. In a duel he managed just fine even without Leia's help. Luke would dominate these ancient Sith in a duel.
Because it assumes he can just brush off any attack (even the majority that are unknown to him), while attacking without effort. Both scenarios would be incorrect.
He can, though. In DE, he tanks an explosion that completely disintegrated Odan-Urr. This is notable because Exar Kun, the strongest of this team, was noted to be unable to penetrate Odan-Urr's Force defenses, meaning the explosion that Luke tanked was much more deadly than anything Kun - or anyone else here - can bring to the table.
For reference:
Jem: Alive... I'm alive! How...?
Luke: The Force... I used it to shield us.
–Dark Empire 2 Audio Drama
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Pinning someone down can't kill them.
You missed the point.
There's also the fact that Caedus wasn't trying to fight back, I'm not saying it would have done him any good, but Luke wouldn't have been able to do it as effortlessly as he did.
Incorrect:
"In the next instant, Caedus found himself flying across the cabin toward his observation bubble. Luke had not gestured, had not flinched, had not even shifted his gaze; he had simply grabbed Caedus in the Force and hurled him five meters into his chair.
"Don't lie." Luke started across the cabin. "I'm getting tired of it."
Caedus sprang out of the chair... or attempted to. Instead, he found himself struggling against an invisible weight. He felt as if he were accelerating to lightspeed with a faulty inertial compensator.
"Luke, you've gone mad." Caedus reached for the controls on the arm of his chair and discovered he couldn't even do that much. "You can't do this. I know you're having trouble dealing with Mara's death, but..."
"This has nothing to do with Mara," Luke said. "And you're lucky it doesn't. If she were here-if she had known what you were using Ben for-there'd be pieces of you scattered along the entire length of the Hydian Way."
The irony of the statement was far from lost on Caedus, but he was too astonished-and too frightened-to take any pleasure in it. While it was true that Luke had taken him by surprise, it was equally true that he had done so with no visible effort-and that he was continuing to hold him with no apparent exertion.
Keenly aware that all that stood between him and a quick death was Luke Skywalker's much-strained sense of decency, Caedus let a little of his very real fear seep into the Force, just enough to seem properly alarmed.
[...]
"Then I'll take it for what it's worth," Luke said. Leaving Caedus Force-pinned in his chair, he started toward the door. "I'll show myself out."
Caedus knew he would be freed as soon as Luke turned his concentration to something other than Force-pinning him-but that might take minutes, and Caedus needed to send in the Home Fleet now. Besides, he was the Chief of State of the Galactic Alliance, and he could not allow anyone, even Luke Skywalker, to humiliate him and simply leave. He had to assert some sort of authority."
-Legacy of the Force: Inferno
Originally posted by AzrongerIt says he aggressively tried to stand up from his chair.
You missed the point.Incorrect:
"In the next instant, Caedus found himself flying across the cabin toward his observation bubble. Luke had not gestured, had not flinched, had not even shifted his gaze; he had simply grabbed Caedus in the Force and hurled him five meters into his chair.
"Don't lie." Luke started across the cabin. "I'm getting tired of it."
Caedus sprang out of the chair... or attempted to. Instead, he found himself struggling against an invisible weight. He felt as if he were accelerating to lightspeed with a faulty inertial compensator.
"Luke, you've gone mad." Caedus reached for the controls on the arm of his chair and discovered he couldn't even do that much. "You can't do this. I know you're having trouble dealing with Mara's death, but..."
"This has nothing to do with Mara," Luke said. "And you're lucky it doesn't. If she were here-if she had known what you were using Ben for-there'd be pieces of you scattered along the entire length of the Hydian Way."
The irony of the statement was far from lost on Caedus, but he was too astonished-and too frightened-to take any pleasure in it. While it was true that Luke had taken him by surprise, it was equally true that he had done so with no visible effort-and that he was continuing to hold him with no apparent exertion.
Keenly aware that all that stood between him and a quick death was Luke Skywalker's much-strained sense of decency, Caedus let a little of his very real fear seep into the Force, just enough to seem properly alarmed.
[...]
"Then I'll take it for what it's worth," Luke said. Leaving Caedus Force-pinned in his chair, he started toward the door. "I'll show myself out."
Caedus knew he would be freed as soon as Luke turned his concentration to something other than Force-pinning him-but that might take minutes, and Caedus needed to send in the Home Fleet now. Besides, he was the Chief of State of the Galactic Alliance, and he could not allow anyone, even Luke Skywalker, to humiliate him and simply leave. He had to assert some sort of authority."
-Legacy of the Force: Inferno