Originally posted by operator616👆
Wanda is packing a lot of power but isn't in enough control of it. Mxy would obliterate her in a fight. And the rest of the team as well.He destroyed the Spectre casually several times, and even Bat mite was able to do so.
However, WF Mxy destroyed the whole multiverse (and beyond) in an instant, then re-created it with a snap of his fingers. Why would someone regard that as a "universal level" being, is beyond me.
Also, Mxy destroyed higher-dimensional planes that exist beyond the prime multiverse(such as the 4th World and 5th dimension), which are so vast that even the entire 3D multiverse is microbial by comparison. Hell, Mxy destroyed EVERY numbered dimension.
This isn't even a fight. He destroys the team effortlessly.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Question in regards to Wandas feats. Was she opposed?
She was outright stated to be the most powerful and dangerous entity in the known Universe, AKA the Universe containing Molecule Man and it was before Sentry awakening:
Not some random joke character in an Elseworld comics. XD
Originally posted by Sin I AMWanda is the true threat.
But like she's already admitted on panel
she needs time, power source and control.
Chaos Wave is not Wanda.
Where did you get the bold info from good friend?
btw. The "Chaos Wave" is literally Wanda's power. Literally!
The "chaos wave" was just a name given to Wanda's power spilling out of 616/58163. That's it.
Her power, as it exited 616/58163, flowed like water between universeS
sweeping other universeS like a "tsunami wave" takes everything it comes across,
until it reached Otherworld,
which is connected to every other universe in the Omniverse via the Starlight Citadel.
The Wave crashed down the Citadel and accessed the Omniverse imploding everything, "tearing it to pieces."
616/58163 was excluded cause that was the source, where Wanda was,
Otherworld, (some of it at-least) was also spared cause it's at the center of all reality.
But the wave would soon take it as well, as noted by Roma.
The "wave" still had more territory to take, most notably, Roma mentioned the "Ascension itself."
To this day I have no idea what she was referring to exactly,
but considering context of the explanation logic tells me
Roma was talking about the Supreme plateau, (God?) imo.
So, bottom-line:
The Chaos Wave is not alive,
it's not self-sustained lingering between universes waiting for its chance. 😂 no.
The Chaos Wave is completely and literally Wanda's power.
As if she was shooting a reality altering blast into space,
only without her knowledge, regardless it's still HER shooting the blast into space.
So, that's the truth about the Chaos Wave.
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All that said, the amazing feat is actually "no more mutants."
That's Wanda's monster feat in HOM. That was precise control on an absolute Omniversal scale.
Wanda was conceivably the most powerful being in Marvel during HOM.
Moreover:
1) The whole story is said to be a gag from the start:
2) Mxy and Bat-Mite only destroyed a few Universes one-by-one and Superman literally confirmed that the Crisis was ended and that the DC Universe was composed of a few remaining universes:
RKT is completely irrelevant but the Team Godstomps Mxy considering that Genis-Vell, HOM Wanda and Sentry can solo.
Sentry swats Mxy like an insect.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Characters are supposed to fight at the best of their abilities.
Not being in control was part of HoM's Wanda's character. We have to take that into consideration.
Originally posted by RealityWarperYou mean powered by two realities.
That just makes him twice Universal. Still below the team.
No I mean two multiverses. The AM was equal to the monitor when the latter was powered by the entire infinite positive matter multiverse; AM then went on and absorbed an infinite amount of positive matter universes. So that makes him twice as powerful as a multiversal being.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
I can agree on Spectre beating Thor or the opposite which doesn't matter because I've said from the start that Thor wasn't a factor in that encounter.
Really? Because you said the exact opposite in your previous post:
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Rune King Thor could beat the Spectre and he is by far the weakest of the team.
Perhaps you started to realize how ridiculous your statements are starting to become.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Wanda clearly affected ALL realities, all of them aka Omniversal.
The reason Wanda is omniversal is because it was mentioned in The Children's Crusade that she affected the omniverse not because she affected "all realities" which would make her multiversal. All realities could refer to multiverse or omniverse depending on writer intention, we knew later on that her effect was omniversal.
However, Mxy destroyed the fourth world, along with every numbered dimension which are outside the multiverse.
He also destroyed the gemworld which is also beyond the multiverse. And recreated them all with a snap of his fingers. That's universal to you?
Originally posted by RealityWarper
He moved through the different realities with Mxy before destroying them.
It took him two complete pages to finish destroying [B]the remaining realities.[/
Did you even read the story? Mxy destroyed the infinite number of realities and the elseworlds in one sweep at the end of the story and then recreated them all with a snap of his fingers.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
The Presence is weak. The Source is weak. The New Gods are weak.
Presence held the whole of DC creation in his hands like it was golf ball.
The source merged the spectre with the whole multiverse.
Morrison retconned the NG in FC. New Gods' true forms are what we saw in FC. Batman outright stated that they are platonic abstract ideas. Darkseid's presence was destroying the whole multiverse in his true form.
Also, are those three the best you got? There are countless cosmic beings in DC and you're fooling yourself if you think they aren't on par with Marvel's. They're so numerous that they're too hard to count in fact.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Considering that Mxy is Universal sure he can.
Mxy is far above multiversal beings even, as proven above. And the time period when Thanos possessed the cube its full potential was universal anyway. Later on the cube acquired better feats.
if we're basing this purely on WF mxy, yeah, he ends this instantly. team has exactly no chance. the implications of his feat in that issue are....ludicrous, to the point where i don't personally use that version and generally discount the feat (he has plenty of other massive feats without having to resort to that one...) but since the thread specifies that version, this is a non-thread imo. wanda may have affected the omniverse--affecting and obliterating/recreating it in an instant (and ALL BEINGS WITHIN IT!) is something entirely different. so different that attempting to compare the 2 is nonsensical.
Originally posted by operator616
Not being in control was part of HoM's Wanda's character. We have to take that into consideration.
Wanda just has a tought to form "no more Mxy".
No I mean two multiverses. The AM was equal to the monitor when the latter was powered by the entire infinite positive matter multiverse; AM then went on and absorbed an infinite amount of positive matter universes. So that makes him twice as powerful as a multiversal being.
The Universe in the way you mean it means a single reality (which includes it's dimensions etc).
Really? Because you said the exact opposite in your previous post:
I said that RK Thor can beat the Spectre. I've never he stomped him and that it was one-sided like you are implying.
Pay more attention.
Perhaps you started to realize how ridiculous your statements are starting to become.
At this moment, besides a poor attempt at antagonizing me from your part I've seen nothing interesting.
The reason Wanda is omniversal is because it was mentioned in The Children's Crusade that she affected the omniverse not because she affected "all realities" which would make her multiversal. All realities could refer to multiverse or omniverse depending on writer intention, we knew later on that her effect was omniversal.
Omni = All
Verse = Universes
Omniversal is all-encompassing.
All realities is all-encompassing too.
Yeah, you are basically confirming that I'm right so thanks.
However, Mxy destroyed the fourth world, along with every numbered dimension which are outside the multiverse.
The Fourth World is just another Universe.
He also destroyed the gemworld which is also beyond the multiverse. And recreated them all with a snap of his fingers. That's universal to you?
"We do know that the Multiverse is no more. All that exist of our former homeworlds is this ONE, SINGULAR SHARED REALITY."
It seems that Universal can't be more right for Mxy.
Did you even read the story? Mxy destroyed the infinite number of realities and the elseworlds in one sweep at the end of the story and then recreated them all with a snap of his fingers.
Read above and tell me who didn't read the story.
Presence held the whole of DC creation in his hands like it was golf ball.The source merged the spectre with the whole multiverse.
"OK"
Morrison retconned the NG in FC. New Gods' true forms are what we saw in FC. Batman outright stated that they are platonic abstract ideas. Darkseid's presence was destroying the whole multiverse in his true form.
Yeah. He killed Darkseid with a bullet.
Those "abstract ideas" aren't close to concepts like Galactus & Co.
Darkseid provoked the crisis and ?
Genis-Vell was stopped because he could destroy the Marvel Universe in one of his possible future.
Also, are those three the best you got? There are countless cosmic beings in DC and you're fooling yourself if you think they aren't on par with Marvel's. They're so numerous that they're too hard to count in fact.
Besides the Primal Monitor whom is the equivalent of the TOAA I have seen nothing worth my notice.
Mxy is far above multiversal beings even, as proven above.
He is not, as proven above.
And the time period when Thanos possessed the cube its full potential was universal anyway. Later on the cube acquired better feats.
Which is enough to kick Mxy's ass.
Originally posted by Mr Master
The Chaos Wave was being fueled by her, but not directly controlled by her cause as we both know,
that was just her power spilling out of the new 616 (58163).But remember opr, at the end, her final spell, (no more mutants) was all encompassing.
It remade 58163 back into 616,
it repaired the entire Omniverse which was torn to pieces (with the exception of 58163/616) and a piece of Otherworld.
it precisely nullified the mutant gene from 99% of all mutants across all Timelines.That was all accomplished with an uttered thought.
Right. However, she was still not in control. And her spell was evidently not as all encompassing as she wanted it to be since not all mutants were depowered.
Wanda couldn't fully control her powers.
Originally posted by Mr Master
The SpectreS from WF were clowns though.One of them got stomped after a single planet was bopped over his head.
Another got shredded like paper.
Another was struggling pulling an oil tanker in the water.
I forgot the 4th's demise but I'm sure it was equally silly.
1) Doesn't matter since it was combined with Mxy's powers to stomp him on his head.
2) Yeah and? Mxy is just that powerful.
3) It wasn't an oil tanked, it was a Japanese battleship, and he was pulling it since that's what the JSA (which the spectre was part of) had to deal with back in WW2 where that particular instance takes place. It doesn't mean he was struggling with it.
Originally posted by Mr Master
??Are you referring to when Hawkeye surprised a mentally convicted Wanda
who was distracted manifesting a separate reality in her sanctum
in order to visually explain things to Dr Strange?I wouldn't call that a "battle ready" Wanda imo.
That scene only proved Wanda's immortality.
The point was that arrow put her down while Mxy and Bat mite were battling with galaxies.
Also, Eye of agamotto neutralized Wanda iirc when it was previously ineffective on Mephisto's objects and even didn't have the same effect on - an albeit amped - cyrus black.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
Moreover:1) The whole story is said to be a gag from the start:
2) Mxy and Bat-Mite only destroyed a few Universes one-by-one and Superman literally confirmed that the Crisis was ended and that the DC Universe was composed of a few remaining universes:
RKT is completely irrelevant but the Team Godstomps Mxy considering that Genis-Vell, HOM Wanda and Sentry can solo.
Sentry swats Mxy like an insect.
Ill respond to you later on since I have no time right now but you seem to be very ignorant on the nature of that story. Mxy and Bat mite travelled to different point in DC's history and the scan above is from COIE. Which is what Superman is referring to. It was the time when they travelled to the end of COIE era where a singular universe was formed. Later on though, Mxy and Bat mite destroyed all of these continuities/universes/elseworlds casually.
Originally posted by operator616
[B]Right. However, she was still not in control. And her spell was evidently not as all encompassing as she wanted it to be since not all mutants were depowered.Wanda couldn't fully control her powers.
My God the out-of-context...
Do you even read the full thread before posting ?
She didn't control the House of M event however she completely controled the "no more mutants" and what will happen is "no more Mxy".
Ill respond to you later on since I have no time right now but you seem to be very ignorant on the nature of that story. Mxy and Bat mite travelled to different point in DC's history and the scan above is from COIE.
That's completely wrong. It's only stated that they are visiting alternate Universes.
COIE shows that canonically they are in that timeline and that the number of Universes are limited.
Which is what Superman is referring to. It was the time when they travelled to the end of COIE era where a singular universe was formed. Later on though, Mxy and Bat mite destroyed all of these continuities/universes/elseworlds casually.
The last stuff he destroyed was Kingdom Come, just one reality among the others.
Originally posted by operator616Right. However, she was still not in control.
And her spell was evidently not as all encompassing
Also, the main highlight in the spell is fixing the Omniverse which was "torn to pieces."
The rest is just amazing meticulous shit on Wanda's part.
Originally posted by operator616Wanda couldn't fully control her powers.
Originally posted by operator6161) Doesn't matter since it was combined with Mxy's powers to stomp him on his head.
2) Yeah and? Mxy is just that powerful.
3) It wasn't an oil tanked, it was a Japanese battleship, and he was pulling it since that's what the JSA (which the spectre was part of) had to deal with back in WW2 where that particular instance takes place. It doesn't mean he was struggling with it.
Anywho, the Spectre's in WF imo were weak sauce, that is all.
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I'm a realist, it could also be that everything else was so beneath Mxy that they just seemed pathetic because of said reason.
BUT ... Mxy has much better feats in WF you can spotlight opr.
Like the 4th World joint, and erasing all universeS period.
That right there insures WF Mxy as the most powerful cat ever in DC. 👆
Originally posted by operator6161)The point was that arrow put her down
2)while Mxy and Bat mite were battling with galaxies.
If I'm not mistaken, this is a battle ready Wanda in this thread.
2) Wanda's power was tossing entire universeS like confetti.
Also, I'm just entertaining this thread cause I felt Wanda was being under-minded. 🙁
Originally posted by operator616Also, Eye of agamotto neutralized Wanda iirc.
Originally posted by Galan007
Just when I think RealityWarper can't sound like a bigger troll than he already is, I read this thread. 😘Mxy casually decimates this team. It isn't even close.
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This doesn't sound biased at all.
Would you mind showing me which Omniversal-being Mxy has one-shot casually ?
I always back-up my arguments with scans in the proper so I see no reasons for accusing me of trolling.
I know how some opinions are hard to read about fictional characters but that's how it is.
Originally posted by Galan007
👆Also, Mxy destroyed higher-dimensional planes that exist beyond the prime multiverse(such as the 4th World and 5th dimension), which are so vast that even the entire 3D multiverse is microbial by comparison. Hell, Mxy destroyed EVERY numbered dimension.
This isn't even a fight. He destroys the team effortlessly.
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