DARKSIDE Avengers VERSUS WF MXY

Retcons AFTER the fact friends,
do not negate what actually happened on panel,
and was supported in other arcs on panel as well,
and was corroborated in bios likewise.

In the actual HOM arc, and several ti-in arcs that followed ...

... Wanda's last spell, was precise, and omniversal.

She re-built the "torn to pieces" Omniverse with a thought. Hello!

And yes friends,
Marvel was not going to allow absolutely NO mutants to exist for obvious business reasons,
so yes of course there was a stipulation to keep some around.

But that's besides the point when omniversal restructuring of infinite universeS is involved.

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Again, Mxy wins ... but let's not undermine one the most powerful cats ever to appear in Marvel.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Retcons AFTER the fact friends,
do not negate what actually happened on panel

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that's....the exact purpose of a retcon....

you'd need to add "pre-ret-con" wanda if you wanna make that showing legit in a vs match. not that it would matter here imo. /shrug

Originally posted by leonidas

that's....the exact purpose of a retcon....

you'd need to add "pre-ret-con" wanda if you wanna make that showing legit in a vs match.

with him, you never can telll.....

Originally posted by leonidas
with him, you never can telll.....

WATCH YOURSELF, PEASANT!!!!

It's clear by the responses in this thread that very few knew about(or at least, did not remember) Wanda's retcon.

That said, the retcon is ultimately moot. Mxy gestures her away regardless.

yep. the entire wanda/retcon or not discussion is basically a strawman and has no bearing imo on how this would go.

The only Mxy i see HOM Wanda, are pis/cis ridden Mxy. No less.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ This didn't happen during "HOM" ... then not for this thread good friend.

facepalm ... Good lord does it ever stop?

"HOM" Wanda.

But don't mind us ... troll on!

Yes, HOM Wanda. The reality warp was just global. The domino effect due to the reality cancer was far beyond that.

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Mxy beats Wanda for reasons beyond your comprehension. 👆

But you won't low-ball and lie about it to get that result.

You are, as always just a buffoon running his mouth. Let me know when you have anything even close to a proof of Wanda's power alone threatening the omniverse.

MXY stomps

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
All of the aforementioned posters seek MY confirmation on issues of canon ROUTINELY!

EVERYBODY knows you're the man, LoB!!!! 👆

Originally posted by abhilegend

Yes, HOM Wanda. The reality warp was just global.

The domino effect due to the reality cancer was far beyond that.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Let me know when you have anything even close to a proof of

Wanda's power alone threatening the omniverse.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Wanda just has a tought to form "no more Mxy".

And Mxy just has to snap his fingers. Guess which one's more quicker?

This is ignoring the fact that Wanda wasn't in control. Her spell said no more mutants, yet didn't depower them all.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
The Universe in the way you mean it means a single reality (which includes it's dimensions etc).

Are you serious? So now you're gonna argue that COIE was limited to a single universe and its associated dimensions? As opposed to the infinite alternate realities it clearly depicted on panel?

You're basically ignoring the entirety of DC's history.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
I said that RK Thor can beat the Spectre. I've never he stomped him and that it was one-sided like you are implying.

Feel free to reference feats which put RKT above the Spectre.

Originally posted by RealityWarper

Omni = All
Verse = Universes

Omniversal is all-encompassing.

All realities is all-encompassing too.

Yeah, you are basically confirming that I'm right so thanks.

It's not as clear cut as this, I have detailed posts regarding the omniverse/multiverse terms being used in Marvel but I won't get into it since it's beside the point.

I was merely clarifying. You regarded HoM Wanda as omniversal which is correct. But for the wrong reasons, which I clarified.

Originally posted by RealityWarper

"We do know that the Multiverse is no more. [B]All that exist of our former homeworlds is this ONE, SINGULAR SHARED REALITY."

It seems that Universal can't be more right for Mxy.
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What the hell are you talking about? This is Mxy traveling to the end of COIE era. This is all super heroes gathered in Monitor's space ship and Superman telling them that the crisis has been averted. The homages present in that scene some of which are all super heroes attacking Mxy/Bat mite (just like they did to AM) along with CM holding dead Mary (just like SM did to SG) are clear as day. You'd have to be blind or completely ignorant as to not understand the implication of that scene. Along with Superman's clear statements of averting multiversal destruction at the end.

http://imgur.com/hHtudFX
http://imgur.com/Mhs7ucg

And that's the whole point of the story anyway. Mxy and Bat mite battling their way throughout DC's history.

Originally posted by RealityWarper

The Fourth World is just another Universe.

No its not. Mainstream universe planets are miniature in comparison with the reality of New Genesis/Apokolips:

http://imgur.com/xgx6JfR
http://imgur.com/OkCBVgC

In fact, all mortal universes exist inside bubbles in the fourth world:

http://imgur.com/o312lYP

We know that a "mortal universe" is the mainstream one:

http://imgur.com/nOQDBAQ

This is backed up by what we saw in Final Crisis. The fourth world is a higher vibratory world, and everything projected to the lower mainstream universe is only a small facet of the whole thing.

http://imgur.com/vrtADOI

Also, gemworld is beyond the multiverse as well. And so are the higher dimensions. Mxy outright destroyed them all even the ones with the fractions.

Originally posted by RealityWarper

"Yeah. He killed Darkseid with a bullet.

Those "abstract ideas" aren't close to concepts like Galactus & Co.

Darkseid provoked the crisis and ?

Genis-Vell was stopped because he could destroy the Marvel Universe in one of his possible future.

Besides the Primal Monitor whom is the equivalent of the TOAA I have seen nothing worth my notice.

A radion bullet which is their kryptonite.

Yes they are considering Darkseid's presence was destroying the multiverse, and see above for 4th world's standing.

In every possible future actually. That was the point of that story. And the means were fuzzy, considering it was associated with being an anomaly by drawing matter from the big bang.

DC have featured writer avatars as well. Before TOAA concept even appeared in FF.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
My God the out-of-context...

Do you even read the full thread before posting ?

She didn't control the House of M event however she completely controled the "no more mutants" and what will happen is "no more Mxy".

What's exactly out of context? I know that it doesn't pertain to her no more mutants spell because that happened a few pages after, that doesn't change the fact that she wasn't in control and was unstable. Even her no more mutants spell wasn't as accurate.

Originally posted by RealityWarper

COIE shows that canonically they are in that timeline and that the number of Universes are limited.

What? You do realize that it takes place at the end of COIE where a singular universe was in fact formed? That doesn't change the fact that they afterwards hope into different universes/dimensions/elseworlds.

Originally posted by RealityWarper

The last stuff he destroyed was Kingdom Come, just one reality among the others.

😂 Mxy explicitly stated no more infinite earths, so they just magically disappeared is what you're saying? He clearly destroyed them all in the space of one page.

And he brought it all back with a snap of his fingers anyway, what do you have to say about that?

Originally posted by Mr Master
I disagree. She had absolute control during "no more mutants."

Also, the main highlight in the spell is fixing the Omniverse which was "torn to pieces."

The rest is just amazing meticulous shit on Wanda's part.

Good things actions speak louder than words. Also, the issue# of that excerpt escapes me.

Why were there still active mutants then if she had absolute control (based on panel evidence and not assumptions)?

I never disagreed on that part. The feat was pretty insane to say the least.

Her actions definitely showed that she wasn't in full control. It's from HoM #7.

Originally posted by Mr Master

1) I see, so you're saying that the planet itself became an extension of Mxy's power.
Interesting, didn't see that or read that, but if you say so.
2) Or that Spectre is just that weak.
3) That Spectre was struggling. No doubt about it.

Anywho, the Spectre's in WF imo were weak sauce, that is all.

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I'm a realist, it could also be that everything else was so beneath Mxy that they just seemed pathetic because of said reason.

BUT ... Mxy has much better feats in WF you can spotlight opr.

Like the 4th World joint, and erasing all universeS period.

That right there insures WF Mxy as the most powerful cat ever in DC. 👆

What makes you think that the Spectre was struggling? I don't see any indications of such. Either way you're right about the Spectre being weak in that story mostly because the time eras which Mxy/Bat mite visited were when the Spectre was pretty weak. However, Mxy also killed COIE Spectre with one blast (that was the fourth Spectre); who held his own with AM. Although at the end of COIE he was in a coma he was still powerful enough to subconsciously destroy the whole universe while at the same time confronting the great evil beast.

I was highlighting that because I was responding to the poster's demand of battle feats. I know destroying/re-creating the multiverse and beyond casually is a much better feat.

Originally posted by Mr Master

1)Unless the OP specifies that Wanda is creating a separate reality to talk to Strange
and is going to be taken by surprise here, it's irrelevant imo.

If I'm not mistaken, this is a battle ready Wanda in this thread.

2) Wanda's power was tossing entire universeS like confetti.

Also, I'm just entertaining this thread cause I felt Wanda was being under-minded. 🙁

1) It is but the fact that such a thing was even able to affect her shows her inferiority to Mxy imo. I don't recall Mxy being affected by anything whatsoever.

2) I meant physically.

ok.

Originally posted by Mr Master
EoA didn't do anything to PRE-Hom Wanda,
except to show her what she had done (kill some of her Avenger friends) which grief/gilt tripped her into a coma.

What do you mean it didn't do anything? That's exactly what Strange uses the eye for (among other things). It was effective against her while nothing was effective against Mxy.

Originally posted by operator616
😂 Mxy explicitly stated no more infinite earths, so they just magically disappeared is what you're saying? He clearly destroyed them all in the space of one page.

And he brought it all back with a snap of his fingers anyway, what do you have to say about that?

Mxy unleashed a blast that destroyed the remainder of DC, from within the KC-universe:

*You can even see the ink leaving the characters, ffs -- they are literally being erased on a conceptual level. That's how extensive his destruction was.

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Immediately after unleashing that blast, we were explicitly told(and shown) that Mxy destroyed absolutely EVERYTHING in DC (past/present/future):

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And as we know, he had already destroyed EVERY numbered dimension in existence much earlier in the story:

*And like you said: he then recreated it all with, literally, NO effort, and even made plans with Bat-Mite to do the same thing "next Tuesday", lol... He's the most powerful 'universal' character I have ever seen. g007_teehee

Question for you Galan, would you put the two aliens from Animal Man above, equal or below Mxy?

Feat-wise, Mxy is > (obviously.)

In terms of status/role/implied power, however, I suppose Trano and Zaarn might be superior to him. They were implied to be direct extensions of the RW writers/artists, after all, and appeared to exist beyond the concept of 'story'... Very hard to say, though -- Mxy's pretty phucking unbounded. /shrug

Damn, Opr616 dropped that nuke. Good stuff man.

Originally posted by operator616
This is backed up by what we saw in Final Crisis. The fourth world is a higher vibratory world, and everything projected to the lower mainstream universe is only a small facet of the whole thing.

We've also seen this brought up repeatedly in Superman Beyond. Monitor (4th dimensional) nanotech was basically city-sized in 3d space, and was was said to be equipped with weapons capable of universal destruction. Compared to the Cosmic Armor (in 4d space), the whole of Limbo (a universe) was merely the size of its hand.

Morrison's latest map from Multiversity shows the entirety of the 3D multiverse, the fourth world, heaven, hell, etc., all as existing within the Monitor (4D) sphere. The 5th Dimension (not pictured in Morrison's map) dwarfs even that. And per WF Mxy, there are (presumably) infinite fractional dimensions between all that.

Further to all the points already made...the bullet that was shot at Darkseid (which, incidentally, was part of his plan, and didn't actually kill him - it mortally wounded TURPIN's rotting body which he had possessed) wasn't JUST a radion bullet.

It was a conceptual 'essence of bullet', a metaphysical idea:

A far cry from Hawkeye's trick arrows.