Defeat this Marvel team with the JLA

Originally posted by Cogito
I don't need you to reiterate your point, I want you to prove it.

I don't have to prove that Sentry use the Speed Force because he doesn't use it.

It's part of the DC Universe.

And per forum rules, powers work even if the mechanism of action is specific to their own universe/company

And the forum rule doesn't contradict the fact that Flash can only speed steal beings powered by the speed force which isn't the case with Sentry.

Or giving a weakness to a character through bias is part of the forum rules too ?

In that case, speed steal never works because all battles take place in a neutral universe where there is no Speed Force.

In fact, Flash is human in all battles because there is no speed force in a neutral universe.

kinda

I never mentioned or brought up Sentry

Not a fan of the guy..

I post in the op the team for Marvel already

Let's replace Sentry with BRB.

Originally posted by Facee
Let's replace Sentry with BRB.

Thanks OP. Guess some people can't understand.

RealityWarper, my point was that everyone in the thread needs to be HH or lower.

Capping Sentry isn't lowballing, just because he's your pet character. Its the stips of the thread. If you don't like it, don't post, simples. Facee (OP) already clarified several times he was using HH level guys. And I (and others) clarified for you too, in plain English.

That said, I'll put a team up in a mo.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
[B]Thanks OP. Guess some people can't understand.

RealityWarper, my point was that everyone in the thread needs to be HH or lower.

I perfectly understand that.

Capping Sentry isn't lowballing,

Lowering the power of a character is exactly what lowballing is. Handwaving his feats is another one.

just because he's your pet character.

I'm objective.

Its the stips of the thread. If you don't like it, don't post, simples.

A point had to be made about Sentry's power-level which I did.

Facee (OP) already clarified several times he was using HH level guys. And I (and others) clarified for you too, in plain English.

Sentry isn't a HH character (nor lower than that) thus he doesn't belong to that thread.

A bad habit has been taken on many forums because Sentry being a character looking like Superman and nothing alike him people hate him and say all sort of inaccurate things about him.

That said, I'll put a team up in a mo.

M'kay.

Originally posted by RealityWarper

It is clearly stated that they can't steal his kinetic energy because he is using Time instead of the Speed Force.

Thats right. They cant steal kinetic energy because he doesnt have any.
He moves thru time not space, not kinetic.

FYI speed force ISNT all encompasing in the DCU. It was created by Flash gaining his speed.. others in the DCU have super speed and dont get it from the speed force .Superman is one and its been stated so several times, flash has stolen Supes speed. Erroneous argument.

If Obsidian is a "3d" shadow as you keep saying why is he not limited to 3d. Most of the scans i showed you were 2d or abstract form. Obsidian can for example touch others while in a form that cant be touched. His form is his will.

Sentry has showings at high herald level. Otherwise things like being matched by Herc arent possible. When a battle list characters who have showings at a level below their peak that fit within the limits set for a forum debate that is what we use. Funny how everyone else got that. In this battle Strange isnt Classic Level, Thor isnt odin force, hulk isnt wb or ww level. All those were possibilities but cant be applied because the level was set.

Originally posted by beatboks
Thats right. They cant steal kinetic energy because he doesnt have any.
He moves thru time not space, not kinetic.

Even he is fuelled he produces kinetic energy aka mechanical energy.

When he moves he moves through space as well, not just time... He is just fast forwarding to move faster...

They can't steal his kinetic energy because he isn't linked to the Speed Force in any way.

FYI speed force ISNT all encompasing in the DCU. It was created by Flash gaining his speed.. others in the DCU have super speed and dont get it from the speed force .Superman is one and its been stated so several times, flash has stolen Supes speed. Erroneous argument.

It is all-encompassing.

If Obsidian is a "3d" shadow as you keep saying why is he not limited to 3d. Most of the scans i showed you were 2d or abstract form. Obsidian can for example touch others while in a form that cant be touched. His form is his will.

Whatever you think, he is a "living shadow".
That's all that matters.

Sentry has showings at high herald level. Otherwise things like being matched by Herc arent possible.

When a character avoid using his powers at their fullest it doesn't make him less powerful.

When a battle list characters who have showings at a level below their peak that fit within the limits set for a forum debate that is what we use.

Considering the fact that Sentry can swat effortlessly beings like Molecule Man through reality warping, every attempt at showing him doing less than that in a fight he is supposed to fight at full capacity is clearly an attempt at lowballing the character.

Funny how everyone else got that.

"Everyone else" got that they are lowballing on purpose.

In this battle Strange isnt Classic Level

Dr Strange is older and more powerful than he was before.

For Marvel there is no "classic Dr Strange" whom is a forum invention.

Thor isnt odin force

According to Pak he is inferior to the Green Skaar whom depowered himself fighting a Sentry at his weakest state.

hulk isnt wb or ww level

Yeah, the problem with that your whole argument is fallacious.

It is fallacious because you are here showing different versions of characters:

Classic Dr Strange doesn't exist.

OdinForce Thor is Thor powered with the Odin Force.

Hulk during WWH is the Green Scar whom is a different Hulk as it is how Hulk's different personalities dues to his dissociative identity disorder thus being a different character.

None of the description of those characters fits with the Sentry whom is an unique character aka Robert Reynolds shaping himself differently according to his schizophrenia but his power-set, reality manipulation, and power-level, limitless, doesn't change, except when he is weakened by his agoraphobia which doesn't change his power-set.

Do you consider different versions of Morph when he changes his shape ? Nope.

There is no reasons to do the same thing with Sentry.

All those were possibilities but cant be applied because the level was set.

That's called lowballing.

Omac
Blue Devil
Plastic Man
Amazing Man
Orion
Firestorm (Raymond)

For the purposes of threads, the Flash has full access to his powers in threads. That means speed-stealing unless the other character has a way around it. You don't have to be speed-forcey for him to mess with your speed/inertia in DC, so you wouldn't need to be in this weird neutral universe we have for fights either.

Opinion wise the Jay Garrick scan that realitywarper brought up was a really good mention. I don't think all writers follow the speed force logic but it atleast supports his point.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Opinion wise the Jay Garrick scan that realitywarper brought up was a really good mention. I don't think all writers follow the speed force logic but it atleast supports his point.

They don't, but even that scan is open to interpretation.

like beatboks said, what happened with Zoom doesn't really apply here. Speed stealing works on kinetic energy. Inertia. if you don't have any, they can't steal it.

Like you said though, shit ain't consistent at all.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Opinion wise the Jay Garrick scan that realitywarper brought up was a really good mention. I don't think all writers follow the speed force logic but it atleast supports his point.

It doesn't, because Zoom specifically doesn't use the speed force or move through space, he manipulates time.

As has been mentioned, speed steal has worked on both people and inanimate objects who don't tap into the speed force. Zoom just works differently...

Now that THAT nonsense is over....

I think I'll stick with my team to beat the New Defenders!

Originally posted by -Pr-
For the purposes of threads, the Flash has full access to his powers in threads. That means speed-stealing unless the other character has a way around it. You don't have to be speed-forcey for him to mess with your speed/inertia in DC, so you wouldn't need to be in this weird neutral universe we have for fights either.

Originally posted by Digi
Debating Format [b]Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.
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So according to some people, Flash can't steal speed despite numerous showing otherwise. Lol, nice try. We don't gimp characters just because pro-Marvel people don't like what a DC character can do, and vice versa. Flash has access to his powers anywhere for this forum.