I'm unimpressed with the one-feat wonder that is Wanda. I get it; someone will scream HoM and demand scans or some bullsh*t. But Strange has been plugging away with occasional abstract-level feats for decades. Give me stability over the glass canon. Hell, wasn't he the one that prevented Wanda's "No More Mutants" edict from being absolute? He's got the kid's number. He'd throw up a defense worthy of any abstract-buster while she blows her wad, then sick the Hoary Hosts of Hoggoth on her ass.
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Originally posted by Digi
I'm unimpressed with the one-feat wonder that is Wanda. I get it; someone will scream HoM and demand scans or some bullsh*t. But Strange has been plugging away with occasional abstract-level feats for decades. Give me stability over the glass canon. Hell, wasn't he the one that prevented Wanda's "No More Mutants" edict from being absolute? He's got the kid's number. He'd throw up a defense worthy of any abstract-buster while she blows her wad, then sick the Hoary Hosts of Hoggoth on her ass.👆
Originally posted by DigiPretty much.
I'm unimpressed with the one-feat wonder that is Wanda. I get it; someone will scream HoM and demand scans or some bullsh*t. But Strange has been plugging away with occasional abstract-level feats for decades. Give me stability over the glass canon. Hell, wasn't he the one that prevented Wanda's "No More Mutants" edict from being absolute? He's got the kid's number. He'd throw up a defense worthy of any abstract-buster while she blows her wad, then sick the Hoary Hosts of Hoggoth on her ass.👆
I mean Strange already shielded himself(and a gaggle of Muties) from Wanda's Chaos Wave at ground zero:
http://i.imgur.com/TTKiHOb.jpg
We later learned that Strange shielded said Mutants physically, and Emma shielded them psychically:
http://i.imgur.com/MQTmnFm.jpg
So if he can weather the most powerful attack Wanda has ever unleashed(by, like, infinite orders of magnitude), I'd guess he can certainly weather her 'average' attacks as well.
Originally posted by Digi
I'm unimpressed with the one-feat wonder that is Wanda. I get it; someone will scream HoM and demand scans or some bullsh*t. But Strange has been plugging away with occasional abstract-level feats for decades. Give me stability over the glass canon. Hell, wasn't he the one that prevented Wanda's "No More Mutants" edict from being absolute? He's got the kid's number. He'd throw up a defense worthy of any abstract-buster while she blows her wad, then sick the Hoary Hosts of Hoggoth on her ass.👆
Correctomundo.
Originally posted by Galan007
Pretty much.I mean Strange already shielded himself(and a gaggle of Muties) from Wanda's Chaos Wave at ground zero:
We later learned that Strange shielded said Mutants physically,
and Emma shielded them psychically:
That's Wanda reverting everything back to normal. She was fixing everything there.
Well, with the exception that she felt like nullifying the mutie gene across nearly all TimelineS.
So, with Emma's help they retained memories, nice, but, big deal.
Strange was a flea to Wanda. Come on, you know this.
Even Wanda's children (which she created herself) pumped fear into Strange.
Originally posted by Mr Master
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But Strange countered every gem on the IG.
Sure, one gem at a time, but that's basically how Thanos used the things anyways (Smites the Celestials with the Power Gem, Counters Chronos with the Time Gem, ect..)
Of the lot, fending off the power gem for even a second is ridiculous..
Originally posted by Digi
I'm unimpressed with the one-feat wonder that is Wanda. I get it; someone will scream HoM and demand scans or some bullsh*t. But Strange has been plugging away with occasional abstract-level feats for decades. Give me stability over the glass canon. Hell, wasn't he the one that prevented Wanda's "No More Mutants" edict from being absolute? He's got the kid's number. He'd throw up a defense worthy of any abstract-buster while she blows her wad, then sick the Hoary Hosts of Hoggoth on her ass.
In which case, Wanda blinks Strange away.
Strange has no abstracts level feats, unless he was aided by an abstract for performance.
Originally posted by Mr Master
If this is Wanda at her "peak" .. then that's HOM.In which case, Wanda blinks Strange away.
Strange has no abstracts level feats, unless he was aided by an abstract for performance.
Isn't that what peak Strange "is", though?
Pacts and summonings are part and parcel with being a sorcerer supreme I'd assume..
Originally posted by cdtm
But Strange countered every gem on the IG.Sure, one gem at a time,
Of the lot, fending off the power gem for even a second is ridiculous..
Anyway, Adam wasn't trying to hurt either of them.
Adam was trying to convince Strange about his idea for the universe
Adam's tactic was to intimidate and confuse Strange, Pip and Gamora into agreement.
Finally, when a nudge wasn't enough, Adam decided to attack Strange, with the PG.
Strange came PREPPED with all his Talisman's combined for this moment,
Strange lasted a few seconds, and then realized he was a step away from being annihilated.
Luckily he managed to contact Adam via the SG, and Adam relented.
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Originally posted by Galan007Scans of her releasing the 'actual' Chaos Wave, then?
Originally posted by Galan007Because I was under the impression that the "no more Mutants" scene was it.
I mean, that was reiterated in Children's Crusade quite a few times.
That scan you posted is HOM #7 (last pages)
Anyway, the "Wave" wasn't "released." The "wave" isn't a special attack or move by Wanda.
The "Wave" is simply Wanda's power spilling out of 616 (58163) like water out of a hole in a dam.
This occurred the moment she re-created Earth-616 into 58163,
which she accidently tore a hole in space-time within her new universe.
Then, her power which had engulfed 616,
slipped out the tear,
and began traveling between universes,
sweeping every universe it came across,
until it reached Otherworld in X-Men 462,
then it tackled the omniversal nexus Starlight Citadel,
which caused all universeS connected to it, to mesh.
This is why in "Die by the Sword" we learned that the omniverse had torn to pieces.
"no more mutants" fixed all that.
That's the only reason the temporal wave "reverted," cause Wanda wished everything back to normal.
The "wave" did not have a life of it's own, it was not sentient.
Strange is like the most overrated character ever. More so than pre-crisis characters, id say. which is quite an achievement.
Re-creating a mere broken statue drained Strange nearly completely, he even mentions that at the height of his power he has trouble controlling a small fire from what i recall 😂 major spells like the one he performed for all the earth to forget his secret identity "takes too much out of him" by his own admission; i mean are we really putting him in HoM Wanda league? Then we have the myriad defeats he's had at the hands of sons of satannish, or clea, or loki (a fraction of his power even), or dracula, or man thing, or Xandu, or Moribus or or or.
People always reference his "abstract level" feats while ignoring the context of said feats, Peak Wanda blinks him out of existence. This isn't even a debate tbh.
In Children's Crusade it was stated that her "no more Mutants" spell negatively altered the Omniverse -- and she was still trying to fix/undo the damage she caused:
http://i.imgur.com/FQG4JJt.jpg
So it was still an Omniversal spell that he shielded himself from, regardless.
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I didn't see the *peak* stip. I assumed this was average Wanda, and people were just throwing out her HOM feats for the lulz like they always do. That changes things.
Originally posted by Galan007In Children's Crusade it was stated that her "no more Mutants" spell negatively altered the Omniverse --
and she was still trying to fix/undo the damage she caused
The actual "omniverse" itself was already fixed. Since prior it was "torn to pieces."
Originally posted by Galan007So it was still an Omniversal spell that he shielded himself from, regardless.
Wanda wasn't attacking Strange in the "no more mutants" phrase, only mutants. (sorta)
When Wanda remade 616 into 58163, Strange got twisted with everything/one else. 👆
Originally posted by Galan007I assumed this was average Wanda,
and people were just throwing out her HOM feats for the lulzlike they always do.
If it's regular Wanda, it's exactly that, but ... if it's HOM, then it is what it is..
Originally posted by abhilegend
Wanda at peak gets life force too? Because Strange already defeated her in Avengers 502.
Right, Avengers 503. It was the eye which neutralized Wanda (HoM power levels, even though she was just beginning to manifest them in disassembled). On the other hand, Strange has outright stated in the past that the mere presence of the artifacts makes him much more powerful, so it is directly associated with his power level. In that case, it qualifies for "peak" strange, i guess. I actually completely forgot about their confronation even though i was just debating it in the other thread lol.
