Originally posted by SunRazerHe beat Finn though.
Kylo killing some unquantified trainees and having Skywalker blood doesn't make him as skilled as some people are suggesting. Otherwise, Leia deserves to be a hell of a lot higher.I won't rank Kylo specifically until we get more on him, but he's probably in Aayla's class.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Kylo killing some unquantified trainees and having Skywalker blood doesn't make him as skilled as some people are suggesting. Otherwise, Leia deserves to be a hell of a lot higher.I won't rank Kylo specifically until we get more on him, but he's probably in Aayla's class.
Originally posted by ZenwolfWasnt he stomping other troopers in melee combat?
I'm not really sure what Finn being a janitor has to do with anything or why it's held above his head as a bad thing, when he clearly shows melee and blaster skill anyway. I mean yeah sure he did janitorial duties, but he's still a trained FO Trooper.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
She wasn't in Oneness, stop saying she was in Oneness.Nothing says that she was, the novel doesn't line up with other showings of Oneness whatsoever.
I posted two quotes from the novels that suggest she was in "Oneness" or amped through the Force in some way; she was feeling an emotion, one she never experienced before, filling her through the Force and giving her power.
Even Kylo sensed it. It was undeniably a "Oneness" situation.
And so far, you can attribute Luke's and Anakin's sudden demolishing of their respective Dark Side opponents -- very similar to Reys -- as "Oneness" or an amp through the Force.
Kylo Ren isn't shit, the fact that they needed to emotionally and physically destroy him in order for someone like Finn, one of the best melee fighters in the galaxy, or Rey, who possesses huge amounts of raw power en potential, to actually stand a chance against him speak volumes about how they think about him (to be honest, Finn was still stomped when Kylo decided to end things while Rey was driven back almost immediately). Add to that him killing most of Luke's other students years before TFA and some accolades (like being one of the best warriors in Star Wars history) and it's pretty clear he isn't close to being bad.
Regarding the "destroying Luke's Order" feat, well even though we don't know what kind of training the students got or how strong they actually were, you can still draw some conclusions about them. First, Luke at this point is far more experienced, powerful and knowledgeable than he was in Return of the Jedi, they even call him 'Master' in the Visual Guide, so the training he could give should be very decent and I don't really see a difference between Anakin (just promoted to Jedi Knight) training Ahsoka and Luke training his students. Secondly, these students weren't your average Force sensitive characters, they should logically be amongst the best Luke could find because they would create the fundation of his new Order (this is never stated as a fact but is derived from logical interpretation of the evidence we actually have on it).
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Kylo Ren isn't shit, the fact that they needed to emotionally and physically destroy him in order for someone like Finn, one of the best melee fighters in the galaxy, or Rey, who possesses huge amounts of raw power en potential, to actually stand a chance against him speak volumes about how they think about him (to be honest, Finn was still stomped when Kylo decided to end things while Rey was driven back almost immediately). Add to that him killing most of Luke's other students years before TFA and some accolades (like being one of the best warriors in Star Wars history) and it's pretty clear he isn't close to being bad.Regarding the "destroying Luke's Order" feat, well even though we don't know what kind of training the students got or how strong they actually were, you can still draw some conclusions about them. First, Luke at this point is far more experienced, powerful and knowledgeable than he was in Return of the Jedi, they even call him 'Master' in the Visual Guide, so the training he could give should be very decent and I don't really see a difference between Anakin (just promoted to Jedi Knight) training Ahsoka and Luke training his students. Secondly, these students weren't your average Force sensitive characters, they should logically be amongst the best Luke could find because they would create the fundation of his new Order (this is never stated as a fact but is derived from logical interpretation of the evidence we actually have on it).
We don't know how the First Order stormtroopers stack up against other Melee combatants, so its hard to place them.
We just know they're trained more then other factions in Melee combat, and thats still a fact we don't know for sure.
For all we know, in a future novel, Finn could be losing brawls to one common thug.
Originally posted by MythLordPost the quote, and then other quotes of Oneness, we'll use Galen Marek as an example, since people like to bring that up a lot.
I posted two quotes from the novels that suggest she was in "Oneness" or amped through the Force in some way; she was feeling an emotion, one she never experienced before, filling her through the Force and giving her power.
Even Kylo sensed it. It was undeniably a "Oneness" situation.And so far, you can attribute Luke's and Anakin's sudden demolishing of their respective Dark Side opponents -- very similar to Reys -- as "Oneness" or an amp through the Force.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
We don't know how the First Order stormtroopers stack up against other Melee combatants, so its hard to place them.We just know they're trained more then other factions in Melee combat, and thats still a fact we don't know for sure.
For all we know, in a future novel, Finn could be losing brawls to one common thug.
They're considered 'super soldiers' so I doubt that one of their better fighters, Finn, is going to be average. Especially consdering he's one of the main protagonists of the new Sequel Trilogy.