Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
They're considered 'super soldiers' so I doubt that one of their better fighters, Finn, is going to be average. Especially consdering he's one of the main protagonists of the new Sequel Trilogy.
Super soldier doesn't really mean much, we haven't seen anything super about them. Until that happens, that shouldn't just be taken at face value.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9Because Super Soldier could mean anything.
Because we haven't seen anything that is considered "super" means they can't be? The feat only approach is kind of limited.
The stuff we've seen from Clones and Imperial Stormtroopers actually outclasses what is seen from the First Order by a large margin.
Yeah, Finn could beat a Clone, but which Clones are we talking here?
Rex and Boss were performing feats above what Finn can do.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Because Super Soldier could mean anything.The stuff we've seen from Clones and Imperial Stormtroopers actually outclasses what is seen from the First Order by a large margin.
Yeah, Finn could beat a Clone, but which Clones are we talking here?
Rex and Boss were performing feats above what Finn can do.
Above offering some kind of challange to an extremely injured Kylo? Doubt that Rex or any clone could replicate that.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9He didn't offer Kylo a challenge, Kylo was holding back immensely.
Above offering some kind of challange to an extremely injured Kylo? Doubt that Rex or any clone could replicate that.
All that still doesn't put Kylo above Aayla.
Literally nothing that we've seen from Kylo, Rey, or Finn has been impressive.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
He didn't offer Kylo a challenge, Kylo was holding back immensely.All that still doesn't put Kylo above Aayla.
Literally nothing that we've seen from Kylo, Rey, or Finn has been impressive.
There is also this something called interpretation, Kylo's potential is immense (him being a direct descendant from Anakin) and he's got lifetime of training from Luke and Snoke so you expect him to be inferior to Aayla? Not everything is about feats.
Oh yeah Finn actually provided some challenge, sure he was completely stomped but the novel and junior novel confirm that Finn performed better then Kylo expected and that Kylo's playful tone ended because Finn provided a challange.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9Hitting someone isn't providing a challenge.
There is also this something called interpretation, Kylo's potential is immense (him being a direct descendant from Anakin) and he's got lifetime of training from Luke and Snoke so you expect him to be inferior to Aayla? Not everything is about feats.Oh yeah Finn actually provided some challenge, sure he was completely stomped but the novel and junior novel confirm that Finn performed better then Kylo expected and that Kylo's playful tone ended because Finn provided a challange.
If I go into a UFC fight, right?
And I hit the dude in the face, get one good punch, but the guy is toying with me, and after the punch, I get knocked out, NO ONE is gonna be like "Whoa, that Jman guy really provided a challenge for that dude."
I don't care what his potential is, I care about how powerful he is right now, at this moment, and he currently sucks.
The only impressive thing about him is his TK defense.
Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Because we haven't seen anything that is considered "super" means they can't be? The feat only approach is kind of limited.
Not that they can't be, but if they haven't shown anything that would deem them super...I don't see why we should take it at face value.
But the future movies and material may expand on that later, the FO is just starting out after all. Just like everything else really.
All the factions in Legends are pretty much superior to the ones in Canon as of now. But that's pretty much a no-brainer seeing as Legends as 30+ years of material, fleshed out and everything.