Thoughts on Talzin Returning in Rebels?

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
If you just read Maul lockdown and other dark horse Maul stuff and disregard all the butchery in TCW/Rebels, he has potential to beat Vader IMO. If Maul kept training under Sidious and you assume he gets taught the same stuff as Dooku, he could've become hella powerful.

Originally posted by McP
No, you wont. Even if Talzin will be somehow alive, she might gave some of her strenght to Maul and amp him. At that point, other future sources might even call that version of Maul his peak version. And he still will die to Vader or Ahsoka or even Kanan/Ezra.
That will ultimately humiliate and grave Maul as a character. Sad but true. Best thing for you will be, if Vader will kill Maul with moderate difficulty, and Maul as of Rebels will be coinfirm as inferior to his TCW self.

You do not know how this will end and there's a reason Maul didn't lose to Vader. It didn't make any damn sense. Vader has already been humiliated by Tano. See that's the difference between a fact and your wild and crazy imagination.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Your speculation isn't wanted nor is it anything to be proud of.

You do not know how this will end and there's a reason Maul didn't lose to Vader. It didn't make any damn sense. Vader has already been humiliated by Tano. See that's the difference between a fact and your wild and crazy imagination.

Vader wasn't humiliated by Tano at all. In a fair figt, she was capable of nothing more, then Force push him. When she finally hit his mask, he was taken by surprise. I don't think, that she would be able to do as well as she did, if she wouldn't be his studen before. Duels between student and master are always somehow closer, then they should be. Tano vs Vader / Anakin vs Obi-Wan / Dooku vs Yoda / Ben vs Vader / Vader vs Ahsoka.

If anyone was humiliated, it was Maul who let himself to be outmaneuvered by blind kanan.

Why are you trying to have a serious discussion with quan? It's not like he's ever tried to hide the fact that it's a waste of time.

Originally posted by McP
Vader wasn't humiliated by Tano at all. In a fair figt, she was capable of nothing more, then Force push him. When she finally hit his mask, he was taken by surprise. I don't think, that she would be able to do as well as she did, if she wouldn't be his studen before. Duels between student and master are always somehow closer, then they should be. Tano vs Vader / Anakin vs Obi-Wan / Dooku vs Yoda / Ben vs Vader / Vader vs Ahsoka.

If anyone was humiliated, it was Maul who let himself to be outmaneuvered by blind kanan.

Look at his confrontation with Kenobi. He should have won that due to greater skill, maneuverability, and power. He failed to gain a huge advantage once again. If you also notice all save one of the examples you've listed are of Vader fights. When discussing the Dooku example the only reason it was that close was because Yoda had to defend his friends from Dooku's continued assaults and he then fled quickly thereafter. Yoda failed but Dooku barely fought Yoda straight up before he fled.

Maul was overconfident which has happened before but you're also ignoring Maul blinding him and having him dead to rights before Tano jumped in. Look at the entire episode not just one aspect of a fight between two characters to sell your perspective.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Why are you trying to have a serious discussion with quan? It's not like he's ever tried to hide the fact that it's a waste of time.

That kind of bait may work on Beefy or DP, but you're going to have to try harder with me.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That kind of bait may work on Beefy or DP, but you're going to have to try harder with me.

How is that ironic, though? Besides, I don't troll. I stir the pot. I still know how to have a serious conversation. "(what you like) sucks, and (what I like) doesn't." ain't serious conversation. And I'm pretty peachy, for the record.

Hello. 🙂

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
How is that ironic, though? Besides, I don't troll. I stir the pot. I still know how to have a serious conversation. "(what you like) sucks, and (what I like) doesn't." ain't serious conversation. And I'm pretty peachy, for the record.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Hello. 🙂

I was hoping you overdosed by now.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you also notice all save one of the examples you've listed are of Vader fights.

And I know, that Vader is somehow featless against other Force users. Especially in a new canon. But it should be clear, that at the time of Rebels he's superior to Maul. And if Maul will be confirmed to be in his prime during Rebels, that will be your ultimate failure in proving that he is not inferior to Vader.
Maul's only chance to be not consider as Vader clear inferior by almost everyone, is to have a statement that would put his TCW/SoD version above his Rebels' version.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He did force push her at one point but it caused no damage and didn't prevent her from returning to the fight.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
I was hoping you overdosed by now.

Reported for caring about Skillz feelings.

Reported for reporting. I won't tolerate this trolling.

Originally posted by McP
Well, the last part of Sidious vs Maul fight could be up there as well, assuming that Sidious gave nearly 100% of himself during that short part.

And I know, that Vader is somehow featless against other Force users. Especially in a new canon. But it should be clear, that at the time of Rebels he's superior to Maul. And if Maul will be confirmed to be in his prime during Rebels, that will be your ultimate failure in proving that he is not inferior to Vader.
Maul's only chance to be not consider as Vader clear inferior by almost everyone, is to have a statement that would put his TCW/SoD version above his Rebels' version.

It was pretty clear, that she was struggling, especially at the end, before he Force pushed her. Clearly, that fight against Vader was harder for her, then a fight against Maul.

No, Vader hasn't been confirmed as greater than Maul. Quit making things up. Vader didn't even show he's greater than Tano. They looked like peers in their fight. Maul and Vader haven't clashed yet so again nothing has been even shown thus far. You're acting like this is a closed matter which is really kind of odd since these two haven't met.

False. That's also abc logic. It's like saying Anakin did better against Dooku therefore he crushes Kenobi. Abc logic sucks.

^I like Maul as much as anyone but Filoni made it clear multiple times that he considers Vader to be stronger than Maul.

Now you can debate the issue of author intent or whether Filoni has the right to make that decision, or if we should even take it seriously outside of the show(personally I always thought he was a dickhead). But as far as Rebels goes, it's pretty much a done deal. Best to just accept it and move on, imo.

Anyway... Yeah, they certainly appear to be Nightsister spirits rather than Sith. Hopefully, they refrain from bringing Talzin back though.

It's also implied that Maul is the best of the four on Malachor (Kanan, Ezra, Ahsoka) and that bull ish about the only two able to match Tano blow for blow are Sheev and Vader. So Maul should be able to do the same right? And considering how well Ahsoka did against Vader, I can honestly see Maul winning now...