London's Islamic Mayor tells Migrants not to assimilate.
London's first Muslim mayor warns migrants not to assimilate the Western values that built what they are fleeing to, but to hang on to the religion and values responsible for what they are fleeing from.
Re: London's Islamic Mayor tells Migrants not to assimilate.
Originally posted by Politico
London's first Muslim mayor warns migrants not to assimilate the Western values that built what they are fleeing to, but to hang on to the religion and values responsible for what they are fleeing from.
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Can you find a link for this that isn't a renowned and incredibly biased right-wing website? I've tried finding actual evidence for Khan saying this but when I google it all I get are right-wing rags and in the Breitbart one, it doesn't have a link to any source for the supposed integration comment.
Originally posted by Scribble
Can you find a link for this that isn't a renowned and incredibly biased right-wing website? I've tried finding actual evidence for Khan saying this but when I google it all I get are right-wing rags and in the Breitbart one, it doesn't have a link to any source for the supposed integration comment.
In any case, the issue of integration of Muslims in London or GB at large is a problem one may observe with their own eyes either way.
BTW Scribble are you British? I think you mentioned it somewhere?
Originally posted by Scribble
Can you find a link for this that isn't a renowned and incredibly biased right-wing website? I've tried finding actual evidence for Khan saying this but when I google it all I get are right-wing rags and in the Breitbart one, it doesn't have a link to any source for the supposed integration comment.
So if CNN posted it you would do what? Considering CNN has been caught editing film you would still take heir word for it over Breitbart. Can to explain your bias to dishonest media sources?
Originally posted by Scribble
Can you find a link for this that isn't a renowned and incredibly biased right-wing website? I've tried finding actual evidence for Khan saying this but when I google it all I get are right-wing rags and in the Breitbart one, it doesn't have a link to any source for the supposed integration comment.
Can you locate me something Breitbart has done to make you question them? Likewise if you had to just choose any non-bias news site off the top of your head..what would that site be?
Just a hypothetical though: if you found 100% proof this was said..the mayor is a big piece of shit, right? Like that would not be something up for debate if this were true, correct?
Since yeah I kinda hope the article IS somehow wrong since..what then lol? What then if the article is not wrong? London now has an Islamic mayor telling other muslims not to assimilate. IMO that should result in him immediately not being the mayor anymore. But he's muslim so if that happened people would say it's because of Muslim hatred. So would London just be kinda..stuck with someone shitty in charge? Bright side is if Hilary wins the upcoming election..the USA would then have even MORE in common with the UK.
Re: London's Islamic Mayor tells Migrants not to assimilate.
Originally posted by PoliticoLiterally in one of the links in that article:
London's first Muslim mayor warns migrants not to assimilate the Western values that built what they are fleeing to, but to hang on to the religion and values responsible for what they are fleeing from.
"Donald Trump and those around him think that Western liberal values are incompatible with mainstream Islam - London has proved him wrong."
"So my point to Donald Trump is: if it is the case that your views on Islam are ignorant, if it is the case that you have not met Muslims who are compatible with, comfortable with Western values, to all purposes 'normal' - come to London."
"There are literally hundreds of thousands of Londoners who are Muslim and Western. Meet my family, meet me, meet my friends, meet other Londoners and hopefully that will reassure that it's possible."
Huh, that's weird. Seems like Khan actually believes that Muslims can and should adopt Western values after all. Maybe that's because, once again, Breitbart is putting a biased doomsday slant on anything remotely Islam related. I mean seriously, this is the same site that tried to conflate Khan's opposition to body shaming ads with some kind of Muslim agenda. Of course they are unreliable. That comes with being incredibly biased. But yeah, I'm sure the Mayor of London is actually mutilating the genitalia of his wife and kids in secret.
Originally posted by StigmaYeah I'm British, I used to live in London but now I live up North.
TBH Breitbart is usually very reliable but I'd also like for them to have a soure for that.In any case, the issue of integration of Muslims in London or GB at large is a problem one may observe with their own eyes either way.
BTW Scribble are you British? I think you mentioned it somewhere?
Originally posted by Politico
So if CNN posted it you would do what? Considering CNN has been caught editing film you would still take heir word for it over Breitbart. Can to explain your bias to dishonest media sources?
Originally posted by SurturSee my above post. It's not Breitbart itself, it's that there is literally no evidence of him saying this.
Can you locate me something Breitbart has done to make you question them? Likewise if you had to just choose any non-bias news site off the top of your head..what would that site be?Just a hypothetical though: if you found 100% proof this was said..the mayor is a big piece of shit, right? Like that would not be something up for debate if this were true, correct?
Since yeah I kinda hope the article IS somehow wrong since..what then lol? What then if the article is not wrong? London now has an Islamic mayor telling other muslims not to assimilate. IMO that should result in him immediately not being the mayor anymore. But he's muslim so if that happened people would say it's because of Muslim hatred. So would London just be kinda..stuck with someone shitty in charge? Bright side is if Hilary wins the upcoming election..the USA would then have even MORE in common with the UK.
Although if you actually look at what he supposedly said, it's summed up as: "They should integrate, not assimilate." Essentially saying that they should merge with our culture, but that nobody should be expected to just entirely drop their own culture for another, even if they live in another country. If I moved to another country I'm still going to drink tea, eat crumpets and talk to my English-speaking friends in English, but when outside I'll speak in the native tongue of the country I live in, I'll learn and utilise their customs, adopt parts of their dress sense, etc.
Full disclosure: I'm not the biggest fan of Sadiq Khan by any means.
Originally posted by BeniboyblingYeah, it's essentially just pathos-inducing clickbait.
Huh, that's weird. Seems like Khan actually believes that Muslims can and should adopt Western values after all. Maybe that's because, once again, Breitbart is putting a biased doomsday slant on anything remotely Islam related. I mean seriously, this is the same site that tried to conflate Khan's opposition to body shaming ads with some kind of Muslim agenda. Of course they are unreliable. That comes with being incredibly biased. But yeah, I'm sure the Mayor of London is actually mutilating the genitalia of his wife and kids in secret.
Originally posted by Scribble
Yeah I'm British, I used to live in London but now I live up North.My 'bias' is that the article doesn't have a source. If CNN posted it, or even Fox tbh, they'd probably have a video of him saying it, or pictures from when he said it, or a full transcript of the speech/conversation rather than just snippets, etc. I'm not saying that Breitbart is entirely untrustworthy, I'm literally just saying they need a source for this. Facts are more useful than "Someone said a thing."
Yeah, it's essentially just pathos-inducing clickbait.
Actually you are incorrect, the source was the person who said it. Are you suggesting that now Breitbart is lying because they didn't by chance have a video of him saying it. By that logic you are implying that everything is false if there is no video to back up the evidence. This can be exponentially expanded to all walks of life, court cases, and daily life.
Originally posted by Robtard
Lol, thread forever pwned. ****ing Breitbart getting the loonies all up in arms.
On Trip to US, London Mayor Says Immigrants Shouldn't Have to Assimilate
http://www.voanews.com/a/on-trip-to-us-london-mayor-says-immigrants-shouldnt-have-to-assimilate/3511670.html
Visiting US, London mayor says immigrants shouldn't have to assimilate
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/09/visiting_us_london_mayor_says_immigrants_shouldnt_have_to_assimilate.html
Also lets go over all the other sources. Ironically, they all say the same thing, so is the Chicago Tribune lying now?
Chicago Tribune
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-sadiq-khan-mayor-london-integration-perspec-0915-md-20160914-story.html
Originally posted by Politico
Needed to quote this before the edit.On Trip to US, London Mayor Says Immigrants Shouldn't Have to Assimilate
http://www.voanews.com/a/on-trip-to-us-london-mayor-says-immigrants-shouldnt-have-to-assimilate/3511670.htmlVisiting US, London mayor says immigrants shouldn't have to assimilate
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/09/visiting_us_london_mayor_says_immigrants_shouldnt_have_to_assimilate.htmlAlso lets go over all the other sources. Ironically, they all say the same thing, so is the Chicago Tribune lying now?
Chicago Tribune
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-sadiq-khan-mayor-london-integration-perspec-0915-md-20160914-story.html
What edit?
Once again you didn't read the story and just the headline, you should really stop doing that.
However, the less integrated our societies are, the greater the economic and social costs we face, now and in the future. Failure to integrate impedes economic growth by limiting opportunities and prolonging unemployment. It feeds extremism — whether in the Muslim community or the far right. It causes anxiety and fear of crime and causes mistrust between people." -snip
Seems Khan is all about integration and coexisting.
Once again? It appears you read the headline and decided it was not true based on what exactly?
Video evidence
YouTube video
Everyone knows you're a sick, dude. This pretending is silly.
I directly quoted from your story above, here I go again:
"Here is so much that city leaders can do to ensure people of different ethnicities, faiths, cultures, age groups and incomes don't just tolerate each other, but live truly interconnected lives — meaningfully interacting with one another as neighbors, citizens and friends. Working together, playing together, studying together, having a shared set of common values and laws that are clear, progressive and tolerant and around which communities can unite.
We shouldn't be embarrassed to say that immigrants should learn our way of life — for example, people employed in public-sector jobs in London should speak English. Our public institutions should promote our common values and laws. We need to ensure our housing and planning laws mean we design and build integrated communities and institutions where neighbors have real reasons to come together. [u]We should create the right conditions for new migrants to integrate fully, [/u{and we should be clear about our values and our expectations of them."
KMC is doing that thing again where you can't edit if you copy/pasted.
But "sock", wasn't calling you sick.
"We should create the right conditions for new migrants to integrate fully, and we should be clear about our values and our expectations of them."
Not sure how you read that line from Khan and thought the opposite.
So you now admit you read the headline and assumed it was wrong based on assuming it was wrong, then took that snip which isn't the part where he says immigrants should not assimilate, then when I posted video evidence of exactly what he said you have what to say exactly? The snip isn't the part he actually said about the assimilation.
Are we to assume this is a lie as well?
http://www.meforum.org/blog/2016/09/sadiq-khan-immigrants-shouldnt-assimilate
You are the only one that keeps using personal insults with someone you disagree with, have I insulted you in any way?
I do not feel like getting long winded with this so feel free to not engage anymore, the conversation on you're side seems to already divulged into baseless accusations and name calling.
No. I did not admit to any such nonsense and this "no you!" tactic is silly. So stop? Where have I personally insulted you?
I'll just leave this here again for you: "We shouldn't be embarrassed to say that immigrants should learn our way of life - for example, people employed in public-sector jobs in London should speak English. Our public institutions should promote our common values and laws. We need to ensure our housing and planning laws mean we design and build integrated communities and institutions where neighbors have real reasons to come together. We should create the right conditions for new migrants to integrate fully, and we should be clear about our values and our expectations of them." -Khan
Your Chicago Tribune post is a pretty good story, you really should read it in full. It's worth the Time.
edit: To your "meform.org" post, they just copied part of what the Chicago Tribune story had.
"One of the lessons from around the world is that a laissez-faire or hands-off approach to social integration doesn't work. We need rules, institutions, and support to enable people to integrate into cohesive communities and for the avoidance of doubt, I don't mean assimilation, I mean integration, and there's a difference" -Khan
Once again, if you only read the headline, you don't get the full story.
Originally posted by PoliticoI can't find evidence of it on any site that isn't right-leaning, most of which seem to have copied the Breitbart article wholesale. Would you believe a left-biased website saying that Donald Trump said something or other with no unbiased sources as a backup? I doubt it.
Actually you are incorrect, the source was the person who said it. Are you suggesting that now Breitbart is lying because they didn't by chance have a video of him saying it. By that logic you are implying that everything is false if there is no video to back up the evidence. This can be exponentially expanded to all walks of life, court cases, and daily life.
Originally posted by PoliticoFinally. Thank you.
Chicago Tribune
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-sadiq-khan-mayor-london-integration-perspec-0915-md-20160914-story.html
His comments are clearly twisted in the Breitbart article, though.
Originally posted by RobtardI'm surprised at how frequent this happens here these days. Doesn't take much to actually look into what you're reading and make your opinion of it, I don't think anyway, so it's strange that people still do it so much.
Once again you didn't read the story and just the headline, you should really stop doing that.
The idea that he said "Don't assimilate" is so far removed from "Integrate and abide by our laws and customs, but don't feel obliged to throw your own culture away entirely" (which you covered well in your last post with that quote from Khan) and the headlines that twist it that way are, again, pathos-inducing clickbait.
Originally posted by Scribble
Yeah I'm British, I used to live in London but now I live up North.
I've actually seen the whole tube stops with signs in English crossed out and phrases in Arabic written in spray paint.
There were also areas that my friends warned me not to go into because they are "taken over" by the Muslims and violence against non-Muslism is common. I have a few stories in mind that come from friends who are white and non-white, but all non-Muslim.
Indeed, given that some of those friends were Hindus or Latin Americans it made me realize that it's not only a problem of Muslims targetting people who are white, but it's an ideological problem that Islam imposes on other cultures.
Anyways.... I hear North England is pretty rainy 🙂
Originally posted by Scribble
I'm surprised at how frequent this happens here these days. Doesn't take much to actually look into what you're reading and make your opinion of it, I don't think anyway, so it's strange that people still do it so much.The idea that he said "Don't assimilate" is so far removed from "Integrate and abide by our laws and customs, but don't feel obliged to throw your own culture away entirely" (which you covered well in your last post with that quote from Khan) and the headlines that twist it that way are, again, pathos-inducing clickbait.
It seems the writers of the twist-the-facts-headline articles rely on the lazy reader, the one that will only read the headline and base their opinion off of that or the reader who will then dive into the article with a predisposition mindset. I believe today we saw a lot of the former.